Christian Domestic Discipline (a.k.a. Very Bad Porn)

Oh good god! That is the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen and seems very degrading to women. 🙄 But why should I be surprised? Typical of such things and of male dominated Christianity.

Leave it to Christians to take a fairly normal kink and make it creepy. Why is it that everyone else realizes that what happens in the bed stays in the bed, but outside of that, relationships are supposed to be equal? What I like best is that it isn’t supposed to be kinky, but then it is rated by how kinky it is.

I don’t know about other Christian porn, but in the romance genre, there are the “inspirationals” which supposedly never have any sex. I wouldn’t know; I once started one, thinking it was a normal heathen book, and had to throw it against the wall when I realized it wasn’t. I prefer to read about people who solve their own problems, thankyouverymuch.

Richard, you’re killing me!

Can you think of a group of people more screwed up over sex that this bunch? These are the people that are obsessed with sexual immorality and perversion yet repress their desires and lie to themselves about what they all naturally want to do. Christians are just as horny as anybody else, it’s just that they are probably lousier than most in the bedroom. If you want to be sexually-retarded, be an evangelical Christian.

I can’t believe this is real…….I actually thought it was a joke at first……

The Christian spanking porn folks don’t like porn. Their site, they say, is for people who want information about CDD “without having to wade through pornographic or warped practices of what God created for marriage.”

I think they don’t want to admit that they’re spanking freaks. That’d give them too much in common with the perverts and fornicators with whom they share erotic tastes. They’ll admit that spanking is erotic . . . but ultimately, it’s about discipline, and maintaining a Christian household with the man at the head, as God intended.

LOL, after looking at the website I agree. Why don’t they just admit they’re into BDSM?

Human sexuality is amazingly diverse and inventive. For any of it to be healthy only takes honesty and respect. The only “obscene” act is the act of hypocrisy, of pretending that something is not what it really is. Pretension deserves ridicule.

As for the professed philosophy of the Christian home being dominated by the male, I have a really tough time accepting that. I supported the women’s rights movement all through the ’70’s and ’80’s only to see it fall almost all the way back in the last 15 years. I’m sad for my wife and daughter, as well as for all women because we have lost so much ground.

I’ve been in a marriage of complete equality for 35 years and I have the scars to prove it.

but they call themselves christians!

Billy, you are correct to object to ridiculing all members of a group. However, your objection in this case is that for some reason these people who call themselves Christians are not really Christians. In all the many times I have heard a Christian say that someone else is not a “true” Christian, the reasons have been different. How are we to know who is the true Christian and who is the impostor when nobody agrees on the qualifications? Whoever is excluded by your criteria will say that no, you’re the unqualified one. It seems that the only common criteria to be called a false Christian is that he has embarrassed another Christian.

When an atheist acts like an asshole I call him an asshole. I don’t say he’s not a true atheist.

Sexual perversions are condemned in Scripture; so it is safe to concede that any person calling themself a “Christian” while engaged in activity which is contrary to Christianity would constitute them as not being “true” Christians.

If you’re going to say that anyone who acts in a way condemned by the Bible is not a true Christian, you’re going to find that there aren’t any true Christians out there.

A couple examples:
“Thou shalt not wear a garment of divers sorts, as of woolen and linen together.” — Deuteronomy 22:11

“Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard.” — Leviticus 19:27

I could go on, or you could just flip either of those two books open to a random page.

Mriana,

I get it . . .

William, do you really believe God cares what sort of sexual activity a married couple does in the bedroom as long as it is not harmful or degrading?

If spanking your wife for disciplinary purposes is not degrading to her, then I’m not sure what is.

Billy

But am I to believe that you would rather me just say that “those ‘Christians’ are assholes”?

YES! That’s exactly what I would rather you say, because it would be more honest and less arrogant. It would go much better with the thing I hear a lot of Christians say about none of them being perfect and all of them being sinners. When you try to exclude any Christian from the definition of being a Christian just because they’re doing something that you think is contrary to scripture, you’re implying that only people with perfect adherence to your take on scriptural injunctions are Christians. In other words that only perfect people are Christians. Do you really want to go there? Your personal interpretation of what is a “sexual perversion” between consenting married adults is definitely not universal among people who “call themselves Christians.” So it seems that you are the only member of the extremely exclusive club that you have personally defined as Christianity. But your foot will get even deeper into your mouth when you have to explain your own less-than-perfect behavior, even by your own tailor-made criteria.

Richard,

Arrogant? Okay . . . maybe I had that coming . . . but honestly, where do we draw the line and admit that certain behavior is not fitting of a “true” Chrisitan? Or is it a “whatever is right for you” policy?

You’re very welcome, Billy. I have no problems talking about it and you are right 1 Corinthians 5:9-13 does say that, but you mention it’s been done unlovingly. Even Paul turns around and says in 1 Corinthians 13:4-8a “Love is patient and kind; love is not jealous or boastful; it is not arrogant or rude. Love does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; it does not rejoice at wrong, but rejoices in the right. Love bears all things, endures all things. Love never ends…”

Even in agape love these things should apply too, IMHO. I think it is a bit arrogant and rude to say, “They are not really Christians if…” I also think it is boastful to say “I’m a better Christian because…” or what have you. It could be more patient and kinder to point out that something is degrading and why it is degrading than to say, “Well then they are not really Christians.” Just a thought and I truly feel that it is possible for Christians to focus on the human being too as they think about how to approach them about a behaviour that is not quite kosher. It’s just like parenting- it’s better to focus on the behaviour than to degrade the person because of what they did.

You’re welcome, Billy.

Hi Billy,
When you said,

Richard,
Arrogant? Okay . . . maybe I had that coming . . . but honestly, where do we draw the line and admit that certain behavior is not fitting of a “true” Christian? Or is it a “whatever is right for you” policy?

you immediately stopped being arrogant in my view. I’m sorry if my remarks were too harsh. The question you asked above is extremely important and one that has divided Christians into smaller and smaller disunited factions over the last millennium.

People of different places and different times will have widely differing tastes and preferences in their intimate relations with one another. The more a religion tries to regulate those personal preferences and make them uniform the more they will drive people out to start their own sub-sect or leave the religion entirely. So where one draws the line depends on how many members one is willing to lose. Compulsive conformity nurtures dissent. Many behaviors besides the sexual practices of consenting adults have also caused these rifts. Times change and people’s views of the world they live in get bigger. If the religion doesn’t keep up, it fades away. A religion exists within the larger regional culture. Sometimes it harmonizes, grows and changes along with the culture, and sometimes it lags far behind, becoming a quaint anachronism, dismissed by the majority as it largely has been in Europe.

There are peripheral beliefs and there are core beliefs. The peripheral ones will divide people because they are the most subject to change as the larger culture becomes more sophisticated. The whole creationism vs. evolution conflict is an example. How absurd it is for Christians to disparage each other’s “Christian-ness” over that. People get so caught up in the peripherals that they seem to lose track of the core. They seem so afraid to concede anything no matter how obsolete for fear that they will lose it all. In actuality, that rigid refusal to grow with the culture is destroying religion, not protecting it.

Define and focus on your core belief. Don’t worry about the peripherals. The whole concern about who’s a true or false Christian will become unimportant. What other consenting adult Christians do in private moments has nothing to do with that.

There are five peripheral rooms that religion would be better off staying out of: the bedroom, the courtroom, the operating room, the classroom and the lab. Live according to your core. Nothing happening in those rooms are a threat to your core.

There are five peripheral rooms that religion would be better off staying out of: the bedroom, the courtroom, the operating room, the classroom and the lab.

This reminds of a Humanist News Network podcast. It was great. I don’t think I can post a link to it directly (Adult material), but it’s called “Humanists In Love: Deist on Top”. The deist (the woman) kept saying “Oh God!” The atheist objected because he didn’t believe in God- any god. It was funny argument esp when she decided to call out Richard Dawkins, Carl Sagan, Einstein, Steven Hawkings, etc. Funny how that made him happy. You’d think he’d get upset about other men’s names being called out. 😆 Of course at the end, and it’s the bottomline I think, there was a little message on how rediculous this was: “Avoid religious-ups even if you do say, “Oh God!” during sex.”

OK that posted twice for some reason. 🙁 The first one has a typo in it anyway. Oh well.

Are we to divorce our beliefs from our actions?

This reminds of a Humanist News Network podcast. It was great. I don’t think I can post a link to it directly (Adult material), but it’s called “Humanists In Love: Deist on Top”. The deist (the woman) kept saying “Oh God!” The atheist objected because he didn’t believe in God- any god. It was funny argument esp when she decided to call out Richard Dawkins, Carl Sagan, Einstein, Steven Hawkings, etc. Funny how that made him happy. You’d think he’d get upset about other men’s names being called out. Of course at the end, and it’s the bottomline I think, there was a little message on how rediculous this was: “Avoid religious hang-ups even if you do say, “Oh God!” during sex.”

I saw that. It was pretty funny…….

That would be inhuman. It is also virtually impossible. I don’t think even Spock did that
Since we are talking Non-Humans , can any one answer my question about Mr.Tumnus?

Magical fauns cannot reproduce – they are immaculately conceived – and thus they never evolved the ding-dong?

Hello William Birch, and all the rest,

I’m a Christian. The ONLY definition of a Christian is one who has accepted Christ as their Lord. You can lump all of us into that one definition.
William, this part is for you: Yes, we are to judge those within the church. Not on our opinions alone, but by the Word. If there is an adulterer in our midst, we are to rebuke them, try to get them to repent, and if they won’t, we have to keep them out of the church until they do repent. If it’s in the Bible as “don’t do this”, then it’s a sin. If it’s not forbidden, then it’s between that person and God.

Sexual perversions discussed and punished in the Bible: (for William’s information, I’m not preaching!) Incest, Homosexuality, Adultery, Prostitution, Rape, and Fornication. Also, the marriage bed is undefiled (pure; see Hebrews 13:4) and what God has declared pure, who are you to declare perverse?

Alrighty then. Pardon the intrusion folks. I didn’t mean to get on a soap box, but there is a Christian in your midst, and I just had to speak to him.

if they won’t, we have to keep them out of the church until they do repent.

They won’t learn much that way, Kayleigh. In fact, if you keep them out of the fold they might grow to resent the Church and never return. Who wants to be around those who don’t want them around? I think it’s far better to accept the person and not necessarily what they do. IMHO, it’s not separating the deed from the person and I know of very few people who shun family members because of what they do. Shun them and they more than likely will not come back. I wouldn’t that is for sure.

Ash, they are JUST stories and should be treated as such. They cannot be taken literally anymore than the Lion King or Hercules can be, but since you mentioned Lot, he also got drunk and his daughters had sex with him. They both got pregnant and had HIS babies. As for the meat bit, everything by way of food was declared clean in the NT.

The story of Noah is just a re-written Babylonian flood story (Gilgamesh). Not to mention a lot of the stories deals with the astronomical settings too. Acharya S. explains it in a way that makes sense. The ancient people lived their lives by the stars, sun, and moon- not just sea fairing navigation, but they charted the tides and when the Nile would rise and recede. The list goes on and on, but they also made stories out of all of this and their gods became the sun and/or the moon. I could continue with this, but you get the idea.

I agree with you, Ash, and I think it is all the more reason to know what it says, the REAL history behind it and where all it came from- in this case myth. It’s the only way to fight fire with fire so to speak. If you don’t know what it says or where it evolved from and alike, then you can’t fight it very well.

I actually disagree with you. I think it’s pretty good porn.

Because these people either are sincere (shudder) or put on a good, consistent show of sincerity, their descriptions of their insane lifestyle provides me–a kinky person–with a deliciously bizarre escapist sexual fantasy. Sure, it’s not that well-written but if it were, but that’s just as well because if the writers were skilled I wouldn’t be able to “believe” in it as much.

Also, it wouldn’t double as a comedy goldmine when I’m not turned on.

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I couldn’t have put it better. I was/am shocked and appalled and disgusted with the CDD lifestyle. Our country is making stances about not to spank your children and now there are people promoting wife spanking?
It’s abuse. It’s manipulation. It’s brainwashing. It’s so messed up.

It’s more then porn. I just posted this on another site and thought it might be of intrest here.

There is another part of CDD. Maintenance spankings (scheduled weekly,daily etc.as the husband deems necessary) and Punishment spankings should not include pleasure for the disobedient wife. The husband should be thanked with oral sex from his submissive wife after she finishes her corner time unless the Punishment spanking/beating ends with anal sex supposedly to further punish the bad wife. Then he forgives and cuddles his properly chastened wife before he puts her to bed for the night.

Birth control is a sin and you should only have vaginal intercourse for procreation. So it’s a wife’s duty to satisfy her husband in other ways. I believe that some of these guys use these rules because they don’t enjoy sex with women and think it’s a sin to be with the men they desire.

I met a woman on a chat board who married a fundamentalist with teen daughters that he had straddle his thigh bare ass
for their frequent punishments. She witnessed this before the marriage but their minister approved so she accepted it.

On their wedding night she got the same punishment for her misdeeds that she had committed before the wedding. She found it erotic so didn’t protest the daily hand spankings she received until he felt her debts were paid. Maintenance spankings became bi-weekly and increased in severity. After a year he instituted a Sat. punishment when the girls were at a teen church group.

She had to get naked and arrange herself on her knees over pillows on the bed, legs spread, ass raised and wait for her husband. He would enter the eoom remove his heavy belt and beat her with it as he lectured her on shortcomings as a wife. He never stopped until she was covered with welts from waist to knee including her inner thighs. When he thought.she wasn’t contrite enough he fallowed this with a rubber paddle. It ended with him sodomizing her. Then she was forgiven and put to bed.

This treatment caused her great shame and it took her months to talk about it. I immediately advised her to leave him. He found out and made her e-mail me that she deserved and freely accepted all punishment. She was put on daily spankings plus the Sat beatings. She chose to stay with him as God’s will even though the pleasure has been replaced with pain.and guilt. i think they have an S&M relationship cloaked in the bible.

It’s very sad. I enjoy erotic spanking no CDD, DD or master just hot sex. with my husband. She was and probally still is being beaten, Some woman stay because they believe they’ll go to hell if they leave. I believe they are in hell now

First of all not all people in a cdd ( christian domestic discipline) relationship are abusive and mean. I have seen the sites that you are discussing and alot of them go way to far. My husband and I are in a cdd relationship and so i will explain how things go in our home. We have been married for 17 yrs the first 10 or so we fought all the time i am very hard headed and usually think i am right ( most of the time unfortunatly i am not) My husband earned 70k per year take home but I still had us in bankruptcy court. I had very little respect for him because he didnt accept his God given role as head of our home. I disciplined our children ( we never spanked our children still don’t) but would loose my temper with him in front of them, so they had little respect for him either. We were inches away from a divorce- the only thing that kept us together was taht we didnt want our kids to grow up with divorced parents. I suggested cdd to him he was totally against it we fought over NOT doing for about a year. But the funny thing is within that year ( without him laying a hand on me) i began to change myself i no longer would raise my voice to him especially infront of the kids i didnt second guess his decisions anymore ( i would do that alot – he couldnt make decisions because God forbid he be wrong i would make him misserable) basically i was a bitch and treated him terrible) cdd is less about spanking and more about submission in a biblical sence. It doesnt mean that my openion doesnt matter anymore it means that i respect him enough to know that as head of our home that he will make the proper decision for our family. We sit down and discuss decisions now instead of me or him doing it alone he will even call me to get my ideas on if we should spend money on little things now and if i think we really need them. This never happened before. I would waste, he would waste we were both resentful. Our children are happier now that there isnt fighting and screaming anymore even with the door closed they werent stupid they knew and were scared for it. You called cdd bad porn it isnt. We dont look at porn. At our worst point in our marriage i thought maybe porn would make things better since he wasnt interested in me — he turned it down that isnt the kind of man that he is he was raised with moral values that he sticks to. The funny thing is when i gave him back the leadership role in our home he wanted me again- he looks at me like the delicate flower that he married not the crazy control freak who i had become.He is a good man- probably the best man that i have ever meant. He works full time and attends college to get his masters and still has time to do athletics with our children. I think that alot of the people at those sites either dont practice or they exaggerate the punnishments to impress each other. Has my husband ever spanked me? Yes. Did i need it YES it is more for me to feel him dominate me i need that i like to feel like he is stronger than me it makes me feel safe. he never trys to hurt me — it is probably more like what most people do in sex. its a turn on. If he needed to punish me i would absolutly allow it but truely we dont need that. When he doesnt like something i have done we sit and talk about it and i am so sorry taht i have hurt him and made him disappointed in me ( i would probably rather him hit me that listen to him say that he is disappointed in me, that is what i wanted in the beginning- he didnt – im glad that he did not) I read some of the posts on those sites and i worry about the women. They do not seem to grasp the concept behind the bible- it says wives submitt to your husbands- husbands love your wives like CHRIST first loved you. Please do not put all people who practice CDD into a little closed box we are not all freaks ( just like all ATHIESTS are not all evil) there are just a small portion who make us all look bad. GOD bless you all, maybe someday you will find your way to his love- he is waiting for you.

“Marriage [is] honorable among all, and the bed undefiled” — Hebrew 3:14

However a married man and woman want to behave in their bedroom is not sinfull unless it includes somone other than the two of them.

No, the proponents od the site you mention don’t practice BDSM. I know some of these people and I can say that for a fact.

However, other christians do practice BDSM consentually between a married man and his wife. I am one of them.

You call it porn, I say what my wife and I do in our bedroom behind closed doors can’t posibly be porn.

The institution of marriage exists to provide an oulet for the “perver[sion] and fornicat[ion] with whom [we] share erotic tastes.”

“Nevertheless, because of sexual immorality, let each man have his own wife, and let each woman have her own husband.” 1 Corninthians 7:2

Diferent people have diferent sexual tastes, some are considered more “exotic” than others. But marriage is God’s santified outlet for sexual tastes (whether exotic or common).

At the end of the day you may not like what I do with my wife, and that is your perogative. But my wife will never have to fear that I will have to go elsewhere to “experement”.

Peace be to you all.