Yep, I Read Sarah Palin’s Christmas Book. Yep, It’s Even Worse Than You Thought January 3, 2014

Yep, I Read Sarah Palin’s Christmas Book. Yep, It’s Even Worse Than You Thought

I tried to read Sarah Palin‘s new book Good Tidings and Great Joy. Really. I tried.


Hell, her people even sent me an autographed copy of the book. (The inscription reads “God Bless You,” as if she needed one more way to stick it to atheists…) The whole book is a lesson in patience. You have to find a way to flip the pages without knocking out everyone around you since every chapter just makes you progressively angrier. Ever read a Creationist textbook that you know others read in complete earnest? This is just like that.

It’s not that she holds different opinions from me; I deal with that all the time and it’s never a problem. At first, I thought what upset me the most was just how uninformed she was. She spent chapters writing about atheists and clearly didn’t even bother to talk to any to make sure she was on the right track. But then I realized I had it completely flipped. It wasn’t that she was willfully ignorant. It’s that she knew damn well what we’re all about and she was deliberately misrepresenting us just to rile her base.

Once that hit me, I saw the book in a completely different way. Here: Just look at some of the things she said (by way of a ghostwriter, of course):

But while our family has worked hard to hold tight to our Christmas traditions, I wonder just how easy it will be in the future to joyfully and openly celebrate. (p. 7)

The logical result of atheism… is sever moral decay… Atheism’s track record makes the Spanish Inquisition seem like Disneyland by comparison. (p. 47)

Without faith, we’d be, well, the secular Left — a group that data shows to be notoriously stingy with their time, money, and pleasant attitudes, and that believers “compassion” is best represented by a failed welfare state that traps millions in lifelong poverty and despair. (p. 89)

… When Americans “get their Christmas on,” it sometimes looks like shopping till their drop. But frequently, this shopping is for other people — children they’ll never meet, parents who need a helping hand, or for organizations that provide assistance all year.

I bet Charles Darwin never understood this. If the world could be described as truly “survival of the fittest,” why would people collectively be stricken with a spirit of generosity in December?… It doesn’t make sense. (p. 112)

Does all that make your blood boil? Because I’m pretty sure I could feel my temperature rising throughout those first few chapters. But here’s the thing: If you really want to push someone’s buttons just to piss them off, you have to understand what makes them tick. You have to know where they’re coming from and how they think and what they’re like. It’s not restating the truth that annoys people; it’s reiterating a distortion that both sides know is unfair. Palin knows how to make atheists cringe because, and I really believe this now, she knows we aren’t really like that. She just knows the buzzwords to use that’ll make atheists complain publicly about how much of an idiot she is, at which point she’ll turn around to her conservative base and act like the martyr she isn’t.

Here’s an example of what I’m talking about. At one point, Palin wants to educate readers on the little-known parts of the law. They’re so technical, in fact, the only people who know about them are the ACLU and FFRF. And Sarah Palin, Esquire:

… there are actually many such Scrooges all over America. They’re very angry, and — thanks to a highly technical quirk in constitutional law very few people know about and even fewer understand — they are very, very influential. An angry atheist with a lawyer is one of the most powerful persons in America. (p. 22)

Actually, you know what’s more powerful than an atheist with a lawyer? A governor. (But, you know, you can’t play victim when you hold an important title…)

And do you know what atheists with lawyers do? They protect the Constitution, which you would think Palin would be thrilled about.

The quirk she’s referring to, according to her warped logic, is that only when it comes to religious expression are people are allowed to sue simply because they’re “offended.”

First of all, that’s not true. That’s never been true. If that were true, there would be chaos in the courts. And even if it were true, that’s not why church/state separation groups file lawsuits.

Again, I firmly believe she knows that. I think she understands that groups like FFRF file lawsuits only when Christianity is given special treatment by the government, not because something like a Nativity scene “offends” them.

You know why I think she knows this? Because she admits it later in the book when offering advice to Christians who want to put up Nativity scenes on public property:

… if you do have public displays on city property, use both secular and religious imagery in the display and you’ll almost certainly be okay. If you want to have a Nativity scene, place it in the context of various holiday items… (p. 53)

And don’t forget this lovely sentence hidden toward the end:

We all appreciate religious liberty, but it should be liberty for all, not favoritism for some. (p. 182)

It’s almost like Sarah Palin didn’t even read her own book… which makes sense since she didn’t write it, either.

In a way, she’s become Ann Coulter: Smart enough to know exactly what to say to make liberals hate her… a response she then uses to win sympathy from the people too dumb to know that what she’s saying is batshit crazy.

Ultimately, this isn’t really even a book about Christmas. (Which explains how she worked in a few pages just to praise Chick-fil-A.) Christmas is just the façade she uses to write a longer screed against atheists, Muslims, Jews, and everyone else who doesn’t believe in her God and who thinks the First Amendment is worth fighting for. In her mind, if your family doesn’t celebrate Christmas just as she does, you’re part of the problem and you’re trying to take away from her happiness. That’s why there’s a chapter of family recipes at the end of the book — just so you could be a little more like her.

I’ll say it again: She knows what she’s doing. She wants these bad reviews. She wants atheists to cringe as we read the book. She wants liberals to hate her. It all feeds into the character she’s created for herself, a character that offers no redeeming value in a pluralistic society, who exists solely as a lightning rod to attract the kinds of people who think this country is made worse as it gets more diverse.

You have to be a truly repugnant person to have as much power and reach as Palin does, and then use it to slander people who don’t think exactly as you do and create even deeper rifts in an already-fractured society. Palin could’ve used this book to try and bring an end to the fake “War on Christmas.” She could’ve told the truth about why atheists fight Christian displays on public property. She could’ve refrained from taking cheap shots at people who don’t have the power that she does. She would’ve still had a bestseller. Instead, she used this opportunity to say the nastiest things she could about people on the other side of the aisle.

I want to say this book deserves to be ignored, but it’s probably better remembered as another piece of Palin’s legacy, another example of her taking an incredible opportunity that the rest of us could only dream of and squandering it because she couldn’t control her spite, bitterness, and insatiable need to boost herself at the expense of others.

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  • I really doubt it’s any worse than I thought…

  • WallofSleep

    “Again, I firmly believe she knows that.”

    They all do. They hate what this country stands for, and desperately want to turn it into a christian theocracy.

    EDIT: In deeds and proclamations, these people are no different than the radical islamists they constantly harp on about.

  • WallofSleep

    “Yep, I Read Sarah Palin’s Christmas Book.”

    Geez, I’m sorry. I feel like we should conduct a relief drive or something. Comfort food and whiskey, STAT!

  • LesterBallard

    Use it for toilet paper.

  • CryoFly

    What worries me is that christian extremists are trying to portray atheists as oppressors of religious freedom… just to kill the atheist movement. While we can see through them as plain liars, I wonder how may others can figure it out. It is indeed very sad as well as scary that Palin is just one amongst many who are hell bent on creating a nation of dunces.

    ps: Don’t have to waste hard earned money to read her book just to make my blood boil.

  • Art_Vandelay

    I bet Charles Darwin never understood this. If the world could
    be described as truly “survival of the fittest,” why would people
    collectively be stricken with a spirit of generosity in December?… It
    doesn’t make sense. (p. 112)

    (Kicks a puppy then bangs head on desk 85 times until he actually becomes delusional enough to respond to Sarah Palin)

    It’s not just Palin. I’ve heard several otherwise intelligent religious people make this same ridiculous point. “Survival of the fittest” (a term which I think I heard Darwin never even used) refers to entire species…not individuals. Helping the less fortunate of your species is exactly the type of action that helps your species to survive. It may be the single greatest evolutionary advantage we’ve ever had outside of these huge-ass brains that so many of us have willfully chosen not to use for some inexplicable reason.

  • WallofSleep

    “An angry atheist with a lawyer is one of the most powerful persons in America.”

    Like that one dude who got “In God We Trust” taken off of our currency. Him and his lawyer were like some kind of super-hero team, a dynamic duo if you will, that was unstoppable. They got that blasphemous phrase taken off our money so fast that you could hear… wait, what?

  • $84687101

    Your sacrifice is noted.

    But yeah, I’ve said it for a while now, from the moment she accepted the GOP VP nomination, Palin has been laughing all the way to the bank. She knows exactly how to sell books to her niche demographic, just like Coulter and O’Reilly.

    What’s sad is that these vultures are so willing to just cash in on their ability to feed stereotypes and pander to their demographic instead of taking the opportunity to actually teach and encourage though. Surely at least some part of their conservative ideas has real thought and logic behind it. Surely they’re not so utterly intellectually bankrupt that there is nothing they could write that might elevate people’s minds. They’re destroying conservative America by dumbing it down to the lowest common denominator of hate and fear. Exactly the think they claim public schools do when decrying them. I don’t think they’re false flag operatives though. I think they genuinely don’t know and don’t think about the long term effects of what they’re doing on conservatism and society in general, they’re only thinking about the short term bottom line.

  • WallofSleep

    I have too much respect for my anus.

  • Carmen

    Apparently being an atheist AND a lawyer must make me Super Powerful!

  • Matthew Baker

    You know what would be a better read “I was Sarah Palin’s ghost writer” Detailing how he had to be dragged to moose hunts and hockey games, the late night phone calls when she got an idea for a new chapter, the countless time he had to ask ‘do you really want me to word this that way?’ and the fact that he had to finish the last few chapters on his own because she didn’t feel like doing it anymore since she has never finished a job and didn’t want to tarnish that record.

  • decathelite

    “Atheism’s track record makes the Spanish Inquisition look like Disneyland by comparison.”

    Translation: “Our side only killed 2000 people and had thousands more brutally tortured, so clearly our side is morally superior.”

  • Brian K

    Your point was totally lost on me, I’m just laughing trying to figure out the connection to kicking the puppy.

  • WallofSleep

    “Faster than a speeding creationist, more powerful than a logical fallacy, able to leap tall strawmen in a single bound!”

  • LaurenceQuint

    “…a highly technical quirk in constitutional law…”

    Yeah, it’s called the First Amendment. THAT’s why atheists are “so powerful” in their efforts to get local laws to respect the Constitution.

    Oy vey.

  • Greg G.

    What is more dangerous to goverment-endorsed Xtianity than an atheist with a lawyer?

    An atheist with a lawyer and the Constitution.

  • Neko

    Good screed. Palin is an abomination.

    Hell, her people even sent me an autographed copy of the book. (The inscription reads “God Bless You,” as if she needed one more way to stick it to atheists…)

    Still, that’s pretty funny.

  • We need to instruct your wife in how to perform a proper intervention. At least Dan Savage was saved by his husband.

  • Art_Vandelay

    That quote put me in such a rage that I kicked a puppy.

    (Obviously the tongue-in-cheekiest thing I’ve ever typed.)

    (There are no puppies at my work…but that would be awesome.)

  • KMR

    I take a blase approach with her. She’s an opportunist and perhaps believes some of what she espouses and perhaps not. Either way she’s got a following and she’s not the first noxious person who’s gained one. There will always be Sarah Palin’s. The key I think is to continue teaching young people to critically think so that the bullshit these types of people spit out is recognized for exactly what it is and if we do that “religiously” perhaps she’ll be one of the last.

  • Mombo Man

    I think you give her too much credit.

  • WallofSleep

    “The key I think is to continue teaching young people to critically think
    so that the bullshit these types of people spit out is recognized for
    exactly what it is and if we do that “religiously” perhaps she’ll be one
    of the last.”

    People like Palin know this. It’s why they fight like demons to knee-cap our education system.

  • ginalex

    The difference between Sarah Palin and Stephen Colbert? Stephen acknowledges he plays a character. Well, actually there are a hell of a lot more differences but the point is, I agree that she plays up this act of being a far right ignorant “high status idiot” like Colbert, but I think she’s a hell of a lot more closer to her character than he is. I think once she found fame in 2008, she figured out what her true calling was and was probably secretly happy she and McCain lost because it meant she could just be a TV celebrity.

  • $84687101

    What I wonder is, did you request a review copy, or did they send it out unsolicited?

  • joey_in_NC

    Helping the less fortunate of your species is exactly the type of action that helps your species to survive.

    No. Helping the less fortunate of your species is exactly the type of action that helps the less fortunate of your species to survive. That in no way necessarily means your species as a whole has a greater chance for survival. On the contrary, it can be argued that your species as a whole has less of a chance to survive because you’re diverting energy and resources away from the stronger, more fit members of your species.

  • KMR

    I know. I live in the south and hear constantly how awful the common core is. Some of the criticism is valid (too much testing). Most is bullshit based on fear of having the racist, homophobic, government sucks values they want to pass onto their children contradicted by the school system. In my opinion….. 😉

  • Neko

    That was great! Thank you.

  • Len

    So Palin’s a liar for Jesus. Isn’t the first, won’t be the last. That’s assuming she really believes in Jesus. Maybe she just believes she’s found a good source of income as long as she has these pieces written in her name. The sheep will pay and pay and pay.

  • kielc

    “Fortunate” is not equivalent to “genetically superior” (unless you happen to be a “fair world” religious type).

  • WallofSleep

    And yet common animals still do these things, disproving a long held religious belief that traits like kindness and compassion are strictly human qualities, divinely implanted.

  • Tina Bell

    I have to agree that she is trying to start problems (even without reading the book) because that is what she is best at! After all, why did she/her people send her book to an atheist and sign it the way she did if she wasn’t rying to start shit! Unless, am I wrong… did you request a signed copy from her people??

  • God. Money. Sex.

    I think you’re being a bit disingenuous to the real point of the book, which is obviously her killer moose chili recipe.

  • Richard Thomas

    I tried to read “America By Heart” recently. I made it halfway through the first chapter. Good thing it was a library book so no money was made or lost.

    I’m still waiting to hear Palin stand up for Chris Kluwe’s freedom of speech the way she stood up for Duckman. (did we go over that already? I’ve had a busy week at work)

  • My wife was the one who pointed out some of the crazier passages I almost missed.

  • I had requested it three separate times before it came out. They never responded to my emails. Then they asked it I wanted to review it weeks after it came out. Had to check it out for myself.

  • invivoMark

    I never thought I’d see the day when the First Amendment was called a “highly technical quirk.”

  • LesterBallard

    As you should. It’s a terrific anus, so I hear.

  • WallofSleep

    “… it can be argued…”

    Of course it can, but that argument can easily be punched full of holes.

    One example: humans. In this world we have created for ourselves, our “survival fitness” is mostly measured in fiscal terms. The more money you have, the better chance you have of surviving in this human world.

    Now, we divert energy and resources to give free vaccinations to those who can’t afford them. This act, “helping the less fortunate”, increases herd immunity and contributes greatly to the overall survival of our species.

  • WallofSleep

    Well, I don’t like to brag…

  • Might I suggest you read a little about evolutionary theory before making comments that fly in the face of our best science.

  • Too much credit

    Haven’t (and won’t) read the book, but based on this description, I’d say the “ghostwriter” was a committee that worked to push our buttons. Whether Palin is aware of any of it is debatable.

  • Laurence

    I’m not sure if it was directly taken from the book, but did I just read ‘sever moral decay’? *severe
    Bitch needs to learn to spell.

  • Kitiara215

    I can’t believe you were able to read the entire book yet stay sane.

  • guest

    name one animal that helps out genetically inferior or handicapped members of its own species. Go ahead. I’ll wait.

  • Tor

    The next Christmas war will be between those who open gifts on Christmas Eve and those who open them on Christmas Morning. Only one group can be right.

  • WallofSleep

    Would being injured, sick or trapped count as “handicapped”?

    EDIT: If we go by “helping the less fortunate”, as originally stated, rather than using your qualifiers, elephants are one example. Chimpanzees another. There are many.

    EDIT 2: Elephants showing kindness and compassion by helping another, “less fortunate” elephant which finds itself “handicapped” by virtue of having trapped itself.

  • Let’s start by dismissing the notion of ‘genetically inferior’. As Darwin said (and he didn’t understand evolution nearly as well as we do today)

    It is not the strongest or the most intelligent who will survive but those who can best manage change.

    And should we skip the closely related examples? As in, are you going to dismiss the ones where parents help their injured offspring?

  • MeAndJuliaDownByTheSchoolYard

    Ann Coulter, Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, they all know exactly what to say to piss off their enemies (yup) and rile up their followers … the only thing that really matters to any of these whores is money. American money. American In God We Trust Dollars. Lots of them. Don’t feed the trolls.

  • icecreamassassin

    I just had a ‘did laughing at that make me a bad person’ moment. Thanks for that.

  • KMR

    Fantastic and I laughed at everything except the passage that Dan noted where she wrote about her gift to her husband in Dec 2012. Fuck her.

  • Most pack animals probably, including lions and wolves. Not everyone is hunting, but everyone is eating. Vampire bats, although the ‘less fortunate’ varies from night to night. In many species related males will work together to increase the chances that one of them will mate. Why help your brother mate if not evolution?

  • WallofSleep

    Oh no, but humans are special snowflakes. God said so.

  • And of course we have fossil records of elderly injured hominids who could not have survived without the help of others. But since they’re not ‘human’ and there’s no such thing as evolution, they must count as ‘animals’, ammarite?

  • Art_Vandelay

    Young bonobos have been observed guiding their blind troop members around from site to site, bringing them food and water and providing all sorts of assistance and, as bonobos do, including them in their sexual escapades.

  • WallofSleep

    Bonobos are cool, but I fear we humans have much more in common with our face and limb tearing, stick sharpening, monkey hunting chimps than we do with the sexually liberated variety.

  • sorry if these are dups, but Disqus is being Disqus

    Most pack animals probably, including lions and wolves. Not everyone is hunting, but everyone is eating. Vampire bats, although the ‘less fortunate’ varies from night to night. In many species related males will work together to increase the chances that one of them will mate. Why help your brother mate if not evolution?

    And of course we have fossil records of elderly injured hominids who could not have survived without the help of others. But since they’re not ‘human’ and there’s no such thing as evolution, they must count as ‘animals’, ammarite?

  • NE John

    She panders to the stupid. I find it funny, Does not piss me off.

  • more compost

    I don’t believe that she knows what she is doing. I believe that HER HANDLERS know what they are doing, and she is just being swept along.

  • “end Human bankruptcy”an idea whose time has come.I can relate to Sister Sarah.
    I come from a Protestant / Fundamentalist back ground.At age 72 I haven’t been able to erase it.I am learning to live with it,There is connection in being separated.,It becomes us vs them,They are good at distinctions,We are seasoned,,rolled,battered and deep fried(atheist) or anyone else who differs,
    I appreciate Hemant Mehta for being the Friendly Atheist,,

  • stewart

    Firstly, “survival of the fittest” refers to individuals, not species. Natural selection (for which survival of the fittest is a substitute label) can best be defined as differential reproductive success causally correlated with genotype.

    Secondly, while “survival of the fittest” was coined by Herbert Spencer, Darwin did (in the 5th edn. of The Origin, fide Wikipedia) adopt it in the hope that perhaps it would be better understood that “natural selection”.

    The problem is that much of the American right, inter alia, don’t understand that survival of the fittest doesn’t entail society red in tooth and claw; cooperative behaviour can be and often is fitness enhancing.

  • Madison Blane

    I read a statement from Dawkins yesterday about publicly debating Creationists like Ken Ham. He believes that when popular scientists agree to the debate, they’ve already lost…because it gives the idea that there is something to debate. And on the topic of S. Palin, I think this same concept holds absolute truth. She has consistently provoked responses from popular Atheist and Democratic institutions and people, to legitimize her insanity. And she’s watched her popularity (and bank account) rise from the ashes of obscurity. Yes, she knows EXACTLY how this works!

  • newavocation

    I find it hard to believe that any Foxnews type viewer would even pick up a book like this. It’s not only the ghost writers that’s the sham it’s the ghost readers too.

  • Without Malice

    How stupid is Sister Sarah? Sister Sarah is so stupid that . . . hell, I can’t think of anything to compare it to. Oh well.

  • R Vogel

    She knows what she’s doing. She wants these bad reviews. She wants atheists to cringe as we read the book. She wants liberals to hate her. It all feeds into the character she’s created for herself, a character that offers no redeeming value in a pluralistic society, who exists solely as a lightning rod to attract the kinds of people who think this country is made worse as it gets more diverse.

    This is one of the wisest insights I have seen in a while, and perhaps should be a call to action. The most practical response should not be anger (at least not publicly expressed since how could you not be?) but silence or (if you can stomach it) mirth. She thrives on attention. When conservative relatives bring up Sarah Palin, the best response I find is not to argue, but to chuckle incredulously and ask them “Do you really listen to Sarah Palin?” It seems to end the conversation pretty quick and I notice they rarely bring up her name in the future.

  • joey_in_NC

    …before making comments that fly in the face of our best science.

    What of my comments “fly in the face of our best science”? That helping the less fortunate of your species does not necessarily mean your species as a whole has a better chance of surviving?

  • Robert

    Very well-written piece. Thank you!

  • joey_in_NC


    To what?

    Excess resources past a certain, very low point do not increase individual survival rates.

    I never mentioned anything about excess resources.

  • Art_Vandelay

    Do you think that doctors are useful in helping our species to survive? Because that’s like…what they do.

  • Art_Vandelay

    Speak for yourself.

  • joey_in_NC

    Doctors are helpful in helping individual people survive. But again, my point is that helping individuals survive does not necessarily mean the entire group (or species) becomes better off, especially if there are limited resources.

  • WallofSleep

    Heh. Look at the world around us. We clearly have more in common with the chimps that settle their differences with murder than the ones that settle their differences with a little bump and tickle.

  • You challenged as false a perfectly correct assertion about altruistic behavior.

  • joey_in_NC

    Please be specific. What is this “perfectly correct assertion of altruistic behavior” that I challenged as false, and how did I do it?

  • No, not necessarily. I’m sure there are examples where altruism does not in fact benefit the survival of the species. It’s not a perfect mathematical causation.

    But are we discussing semantics or biology?

  • Raising_Rlyeh

    “why would people collectively be stricken with a spirit of generosity in December?”

    Maybe because we are raised in a society that demands that in december. It is kind of like how people demand you be happy around the holiday season and if you can’t must up that, seemingly to me at times, artificial cheer you are deemed to be a “scrooge”.

  • Maine_Skeptic

    I think you’re still off-base with regard to Palin. I don’t think she’s fully aware of how much she lies and distorts, and I don’t think she’s an idiot either. She just doesn’t care what the truth is. Her beliefs are the only thing that matters to her, and if she believes hard enough, she can change any facts that get in her way.

  • Please be specific.

    Art said: “Helping the less fortunate of your species is exactly the type of action that helps your species to survive.”

    You said: “No.”

    Art’s statement reflects evolutionary science. Yours does not.

  • Anymouse
  • You’re not licensed in California are you?

  • Anymouse


  • Anymouse

    You two are cracking me up. 😀

  • Am I right?

  • Matthew Baker

    I am sure I wasn’t the only one that heard the sound of a kazoo when Dan got to the point where he threw the book across the house.

  • joey_in_NC

    So you think helping less fortunate individuals necessarily means a greater benefit to the survival of the species?

  • eBOO!ma

    “Kyum J Park of the Cetacean Research Institute and colleagues witnessed 10 long-beaked common dolphins trying to save another adult. The stricken dolphin appeared to have paralyzed flippers, and had red marks on its belly. About 10 of the dolphins formed a raft with their bodies to help the dolphin, while others gently nudged the dolphin from its sides and below to help it maintain its balance. One of the dolphins forming the raft even flipped over its body to better support the sick dolphin above. Another used its beak to try to keep the dying dolphin’s head above water.”

  • You called a true statement false. Nothing else needs to be discussed.

  • Jeremiah Traeger

    So she’s an enabler then? Shame on her! :p

  • Can we get away from this semantic game of ‘necessarily’?

    Do you, Joey, think that there can is a genetic basis for the tendency to help less fortunate individuals of one’s own species, and that that trait is selected for via natural selection?

  • joey_in_NC

    Do you, Joey, think that there can is a genetic basis for the tendency to help less fortunate individuals of one’s own species…


    …and that that trait is selected for via natural selection?

    Given naturalism, every trait that currently exists is “naturally selected”. That includes both altruistic and psychopathic traits.

    But you’re ignoring the key phrase…help your species to survive. That is precisely where my initial objection lies, because just because a trait naturally develops doesn’t necessarily mean it helps the survival of the species. Because of course there exists many non-altruistic traits in the animal kingdom that can help species survive. Filial infanticide is an example.

  • blasphemous_kansan

    I think I’m starting to get your logic. Is it kind of like how your pedantic comments support the claim that just because one has a computer, has access to an internet connection, and possesses the ability to type, they still might not necessarily have anything intelligent to say about evolution or altruism if they insist on referring to these concepts in terms of mathematical absolutes?

    Seriously, nothing in the universe is absolute. Except that there are absolutely no absolutes.

  • moose

    Don’t forget the fact that if you make charitable contributions by Dec. 31, they’re tax deductible come April. The Washington Post had an article a few days ago about the huge rush on places like Goodwill on Dec. 31 as all the good, charitable little Christians unload a ton of crap to maximize their tax deductions…er..I mean, to spread good will toward men

  • paulalovescats

    I love your screen name, George!

  • paulalovescats

    Wolves, yes. People, no. Evolve now.

  • paulalovescats
  • stewart

    The idea that every trait that currently exists is the product of natural selection is called panadaptationism. No (or hardly any) biologists believe that view*; traits can also arise by chance.That is in a finite population random variations in reproductive success *not* causually correlated with genotype result in a drift in the frequency of the trait (genetic drift).

    *But there is considerable debate about what proportion of traits are the result of selection, rather than drift.

  • NathanExplosion

    Does all that make your blood boil?

    No. Not in the slightest.

    Sarah Palin is simple: She has learned that if she says hateful stuff about people who disagree with her, she will be rewarded with gobs of money. So everything she does is towards that end.

    I’m more surprised that you, Hemant, let this get under your skin and then fed her trollish behavior with this long post. Rest assured that your post here will be quoted in mass mailings that she will send to her flock requesting money.

    Palin doesn’t do nuance nor does she know anything about the non-belief, or disbelief, in God(s). Her parents told her that Jesus is the best a long time ago and that is simply the end of it. And since she doesn’t have the ability to put herself in the shoes of another, if you disagree with her parents’ teachings, then you are a fool worthy of slander.

    Welcome to it.

  • joey_in_NC

    The idea that every trait that currently exists is the product of natural selection is called panadaptationism.

    It depends on what you mean by “natural selection”, which is why I put it in scare quotes. But this becomes a debate on semantics, which is besides the point.

  • Glasofruix

    Sarah palin understanding something? That’s total news to me.

  • joey_in_NC

    Seriously, nothing in the universe is absolute.

    I get that. Which is why I was criticizing the absolutist language of the quote, “Helping the less fortunate of your species is exactly the type of action that helps your species to survive.”

    And then others (such as C Peterson) are saying that it’s a true statement, which is not even true generally. In some cases it may be true, and in many cases it’s definitely not true.

  • katiehippie

    The use of the word “stricken” is really a bad choice to go with “generosity”

    a : afflicted or overwhelmed by or as if by disease, misfortune, or sorrow b : made incapable or unfit
    Makes it sound as if generosity is a bad thing. And maybe in her world it is.

  • blasphemous_kansan

    “Exactly” does not equal “Exclusively”. Your entire huff and puff seems to be built on this faulty premise.

  • katiehippie

    Some of the amazon reviews are comical.
    “Sarah Palin is a truly ignorant woman and each of her books is worse
    than the one that preceded it. Indeed this book is so bad that it seems
    entirely possible that she actually wrote it herself.”

  • deepak shetty

    I tried to read Sarah Palin‘s new book Good Tidings and Great Joy.
    Is this some new non-believer tradition where we have to torture ourselves during major religious holidays?

  • It depends on what you mean by “natural selection”

    No, it really doesn’t.

  • Gary

    If your species happens to be lions, tigers or bears maybe but how long would Stephen Hawking survive without help? I think he has helped his species as a whole.

  • kaydenpat

    I noticed a few other errors in those passages. Her ghost writer needs to do a better editing job.

  • kaydenpat

    They’re going to love your review!

  • Let’s clear up a few things. When Spencer coined “survival of the fittest” he didn’t mean fit in the modern sense, he meant best fit for the environment, if the environment is social, prosocial behaviour can be selected for. Secondly evolution is about relative frequencies of genes in a population, species is a convenient fiction of the discontinuos mind and survival of the species is to some extent an artifact of the evolutionary process. All that matters is that genes are copied and propagated. Hamilton proved a long time ago that kin selection where many copies of a gene in related individuals can be saved by the sacrifice of one results in prosocial genes multiplying. Also reciprocal altruism between un related individuals has similar results ( vampire bats are mentioned elsewhere on this thread).

  • Pattrsn

    Not sure what you mean by “genetically inferior” but trees will share nutrients with ailing trees of the same species through their root systems and mycorrhizae.

  • lorimakesquilts

    He’s an atheist. What other motivation does he need to kick puppies?

  • FreeBird2

    You are amazing Hemant Mehta!

    I am so glad to read your post tonight! Found it through Malia Litman’s Blog.

    YOU GET IT obviously! Sarah Palin: The Biggest Bullshitter of all time!

    You really ought to check out all the PROOF that different blogs have on her FAKING TriG’s birth. Start here

    …and down the Rabbit Hole you’ll go. It’s deep and wide and EXPLOSIVE if someone takes the time to research it.


    Seriously…she and McCain went with “it” to get the Vote in ’08.

  • MouseFanSal

    idk. She has a good point. There are people who weirdly take offense to Christian traditions just because it’s one of many holidays around the same time. Because of this, many places outright deny people right to live who they are. That is wrong and anti-American principles. Sarah’s NEVER disrespected another religion. And by saying she is Christian, she’s never said she’s BETTER than anyone else. EVER.

    HOWEVER, I see MANY liberals constantly act superior and spread malicious slander or propaganda. So judgmental.

    Don’t you all find it weird that by attacking her, you’re acting the way you accuse HER of acting? YOU Are the bullies.

    Like or hate a book, NO ONE deserves biased opinions made about them as people.

    Everyone here needs to follow her example and VOLUNTEER for a charity.

  • mellybel

    Oh, OK. I’d like to give to the charities Palin gives to. Could you check in with her on which charities those might be???

    PS: If anyone deserves to receive personal criticism, if not outright verbal laceration, it is Sarah Palin. And drop the upper case, we get that you are a Palinbot.

  • Excellent read.

  • So true.

  • FreeBird2

    Palin VOLUNTEERED for a charity??? Prove to me she has ever volunteered for anything…including work for Down Syndrome Children in USA.

    You just sound so typical of her adoring Base, who believe everything she claims to be and do. But that’s OK. I dont hold it against you…nor should you hold MY dislike and animosity I have for her. Adore her and worship her. all you want…just dont try to force your views on any of us who know the shyster she is. She’s Snake Oil and has been since ’08 = wake up.

  • FreeBird2

    Finally a “few” are speaking truth to her BS, eh?
    Few and far between though. Get someone to investigate her “faked Pregnancy” of TriG…man oh man, would the world of MSM explode!

    The Proof is everywhere…but they are too ashamed to ADMIT IT.

    It WILL be revealed eventually…and the Outlet that finally EXPOSES IT ALL will go down in the History Books for sure….

  • Someday.

  • VinnieF

    Did you even read his review? He makes very good points about how it is actually Palin who is saying mean things to get under people’s skin. How do you expect an atheist to react to someone saying the logical result of their beliefs is severe moral decay? The book is fully intended to generate controversy by saying mean things. And just as the author predicted, you defend her as the victim in all of this.

    “Because of this, many places outright deny people right to live who they are.”

    What?! Please tell me where in America Christians are being told they can’t “live who they are” (sic). Christians are free to celebrate Christmas all they want. The request of atheist groups and others is only that they don’t use public funds to celebrate their religion since the public is composed of people from different faiths.

    Also, too, there’s this thing called the Constitution where it’s written that we will have a government that is not part of any religious institution or belief.

  • VinnieF

    No, no. It’s just a coincidence that her actions as a pure warrior for the conservative clause, her vehement defense of all things Christmasy, has led to her making millions of dollars since quitting as governor. I’m sure she’s given most of her earnings to charity and lives a very meager, Jesus-like existence.

  • VinnieF

    Good point. With every negative comment you write the Palinbots will counter with “Ha! Why are you talking about her if she’s so irrelevant?”

    However, she is such a toxic figure with such backwards fans that I believe it’s important we call her out on her BS. You can’t deny that she has quite a following, a following I consider quite dangerous.

  • VinnieF

    True. There was another reviewer from Patheos, a Pagan, that was asked to review the book. He stated that he was kind of surprised they asked him. Not surprisingly, he also skewered the book in his review.

  • FreeBird2

    You got it Nathan…
    ATTENTION ATTENTION ATTENTION! Sarah Palin thrives on it. What makes me sick is she never EVER says anything positive. I am sick of the Negative Voices in this country…and plan on speaking out against THEM more and more. Life is tough enough for so many Americans right now $$!
    WHY POUR SALT ON OUR WOUNDS? WHY NOT TRY TO BUILD PEOPLE UP? Palin instead always finds her voice with NEGATIVITY. She’s always been a trouble maker…and a stupid one at that.


  • VinnieF

    I think at some point they realized the more publicity the better.

    BTW, great review and great blog. I’ve read it before but never commented here. I often have to tell people that while Patheos hosts blogs like Bristol Palin’s, there are also some blogs here that are worth reading. 🙂

  • VinnieF

    You must not have seen the title of the book. It’s “Good Tidings and Great Joy”. That sounds so wonderful and positive. 🙂

  • FreeBird2

    So true Vinnie. Keep speaking the Truth…maybe more and more will come to realize they’ve been Bamboozled by THIS woman who has lived her life…FULL OF LIES.

    I always, always come back to thinking about her children and what a mess of a mother they have. Years from now, we will be hearing about Willow and Piper in therapy. No child can come out of a family like Sarah’s intact or normal, no way….

  • FreeBird2

    If we could get a Reward out in Alaska again.
    Lord knows, everybody is out of work or in a low paying job these days. SOMEONE will come forward, for sure!

  • FreeBird2

    The “Title” means nothing when you dive into the book.
    Then it’s all gibberish, word-salad stuff we’re all used to.

  • guest

    Just another muddled, ridiculous love letter from Sarah Palin’s biggest fan. Ignore and move on.

  • FreeBird2

    DITTO what Vinnie said.
    I like this place more and more….

  • FreeBird2

    Oh damn…I forgot, she’s already CRAZY.

  • KatieAnnieOakley

    If she doesn’t push their buttons, they won’t contribute to her PAC. So, she tells them EXACTLY what they want to hear. Its also about parasitism, but its hard to say who is the host and who is the parasite, as they take turns feeding from each other.

  • KatieAnnieOakley

    I see one of the Palin’s dull-witted followers has arrived. GOT CULT?

  • KatieAnnieOakley

    Thats it – they live a meager existence…. wait.

    I’m curious: Before she became Governor – how did a tiny city mayor making $50K and an oil company foreman making about $40K afford to build 2 houses on a lake and all those toys (airplane, snowmobiles, cars, SUV’s, 4 wheelers, etc. etc. etc.) on less than $100K a year – in Alaska, a very, VERY expensive state to live in? Hmmm… AND be so very “charitable”? Things that make you go hmmm…

  • KatieAnnieOakley

    Like the “needed, powerful gun” she got her husband because of all the “anti-gun rhetoric in Washinton, DC at that time” (read: Sandy Hook shootings). Yes – she really went there and said that.

  • FreeBird2

    Everywhere you look, PALIN BOTS BOTS BOTS! Did you know they have an Army of Bots who are alerted to every single article out here about their “precious Queen Bee”? They are even “given” links and “responses” to post to anyone who goes against The Queen. This group started their UNDYING LOVE for Palin in ’07 and ’08 but has LOST many members over the years. But make no mistake, they still have enough Bots to take down Hosts who have different views than they have. (many examples recently) But that’s ok. The “rest” of us know they are A Diminishing NUMBER of people who will soon be gone ….. I HOPE AND PRAY TO GOD ALMIGHTY.

  • FlameMammoth

    “There are people who weirdly take offense to Christian traditions just because it’s one of many holidays around the same time. Because of this, many places outright deny people right to live who they are.”

    –Actually, no… people are free to celebrate Christmas however they want, and display Christmas decorations on THEIR property or church property. Public sites that are paid for with public money (government buildings) should not be endorsing one religion over another. What part of “do not establish a religion” do these people not understand?

  • KatieAnnieOakley

    Outstanding comparative analysis.

  • Merari

    Also elephants, fruitbats, dolphins, whales, a lot of mammals really. The fruitbats even remember which individual tried to scam them by accepting food aid and later not returning the favour and will then refuse aid to the cheating individual.

  • MouseFanSal

    I’m sorry you’re so black-hearted and uncharitable. Maybe Sarah could lend you advice on being gracious and giving. Ask her about her time spent serving others food? Clothing donations to children. She’s a friendly person. Or you could find her in yoga.

    It sounds like you’re just too wound and closed-mindedly ignorant that you cannot see things clearly. And you live to judge.

    Not healthy. Sarah accepts all. You should too.

  • MouseFanSal

    Perspective and no judgment.

  • Anony Moose

    OMG, the Palin troll AKA as Kristy Patullo has arrived! I would know her writing anywhere. How’s it going, Kristy? Is that bedpan you talk to talking back yet?

  • MouseFanSal

    So sorry you’re so hateful. I truly am.

  • MouseFanSal

    Ironic you call others’ cult worshippers when your “friends” are the biggest hate trolls on the net.

  • MouseFanSal

    You miss the point and ignore how hateful people are towards Christians and only Christians and make blanket generalizations.

    THAT is common.

    Grow up. Sarah’s not taking away anyone’s beliefs. HER book is NO different from anyone else’s in terms of personal faith.

    I suggest you get a life if you can’t handle ONE opinion.

  • MouseFanSal

    Wow, I feel deeply sorry for you. You’re a bully and you bully those who choose not to judge others like you.

  • MouseFanSal

    I don’t see her as saying things to affect people.

    I DO see many people on the opposite side write things just to be callous and to bully HER.

    Some of these people YOU associate with. They are some pretty big liars.

  • MouseFanSal

    Christmas dinner, yearly. Orphanage. Buddy walk in AK. Child abuse walk. large donation to the red cross (i think that was it) at the LA thing a few years ago.

    Why don’t YOU prove the opposite? SOMETHINg YOUVE NEVER DONE.

    tsk tsk smh

  • MouseFanSal

    Funny that you can claim things you cannot prove. YOU start this by perpetually claiming she doesn’t donate time or money. YOU prove she doesn’t. Saying so means nothing. I can say things all day long.

    Why are you so negative?

  • KatieAnnieOakley

    I’ve got some links just like your photos. I won’t spam Mr. Mehta’s post – like you are. But you can see in the first link below that Bristol is full of hate and rage for anyone that disagrees with her or the Palin’s – in fact, its an entire blog post, full of screen grabs of Bristol’s choicest comments. Over the years. It is not adorable. Its is trash-tastic…

    Don’t forget – it was also Bristol’s son who called her a “Faggot” – on TV no lesss – and she giggled. Silence is compliance.

    How utterly charming. And, she didn’t discipline him for it. Where would he hear that sort of language? Gosh – I wonder. Children learn what they live…

  • KatieAnnieOakley

    You judged me as “black-hearted and uncharitable”. Then you tell me that I live to judge, but Sarah accepts all – that is, except anyone that speaks ill of her. Then she sends in people like you… who judge.

  • MouseFanSal

    And Katie, this is a stupid comment: “They don’t seem to realize that most everyone has problems with a child, or notices the homeless, partakes in family rituals, shares recipes and such.”

    Of course she knows this. She does have friends and she has invited her kids friends to her house to share their celebrations. She’s simply sharing HER family’s stories. Like her brother shared their TRUE childhood and not the liberal fabricated, heavily distorted version.

    It is SO sad how people have no perspective and read so much into something in such negative ways.

    If Obama, Biden, ANY democrat were republican, they’d be flippin burgers. They too have made very similar political mistakes and BOTH have said incredibly stupid things. Humans are fallable. Everything Sarah writes, she mocks her own shortcomings. She doesn’t sugarcoat nor fake perfections.

  • KatieAnnieOakley

    No you’re not. You slobber over anything Palin. GOT CULT?

  • MouseFanSal

    lol at “she sends in.”

    And you DO live to judge. You make up insane things daily. But I will retract my putdown. You just don’t come across as being a nice person simply because of your pointless lies. Now run along and start setting an example for your kids to not lie, not bs about others, not start innuendo, and spread hate.THAT is what I ask.

    At least I can admit when I write something hypocritical. But at least I am not an online bully who distorts and invents narratives and personalities of famous people.

    Sarah will always be a mother first. YOU have ZERO right to demean her for that or make up your absurd hate.

  • Anony Moose

    This pile of moose nuggets has dropped to #6382 in books. If you wonder why there are ANY 5 star reviews, it’s because reviewers have piled on the satire wagon and rated it thus. Here is one of my favorite 5 star comments:

    “197 of 218 people found the following review helpful There really is another War on Christmas coming soon!, December 15, 2013


    R. Wallace

    This review is from: Good Tidings and Great Joy: Protecting the Heart of Christmas (Hardcover)Having lost my left eye in the First War on Christmas, it takes me a while to get through books. It took me even longer than normal to get through this one, however, because of the post traumatic stress disorder and flashbacks that it inspired. Picture yourself in my shoes, there on the battlefields of the Paramus Mall, the mist rising off the fields that but days before were fertile farmland, now smoldering in the aftermath of egg nog bombs and fruitcake.

    What’s that sound? Incoming peppermint strike! The second one this morning. I dive underneath the nearest open sleigh just as the gingerbread mortars rained hellfire down on me and my platoon. Sons of bitches! The psy-ops teams are playing that godless Rudolph song through our comms radios. Damn you, Saturnalia! A gingerbread hits my buddy Ricky just to my right and he drops in a quivering heap. Riiiiiiiiky! NooooooO!

    I peek out behind the bough of a douglas fir and there…. I see it. Do you see it? Approaching on the horizon and rising out of the mist. So this is how it ends, eh, Claus? This is how you want to play? Fine. I can take so much, but I’m not going to die here on a frosted field, lights twinkling above me, without a final fight. I grab my tube of wrapping paper and charge out from my hiding spot, and a white-hot sensation rips through my skull. The tinsel! The tinsel! Arrrrrgh.

    Sorry…. need to focus on the here and now. For those of you who say there’s no war on Christmas, I can only say that you don’t know… you can’t know… unless you were there. For those of us who survived, though broken and emptied of our humanity, it was all too real.”

  • KatieAnnieOakley

    Look Kristy – can I call you Kristy, Kristy? Anyway… we can always count on you to show up. I don’t need to make up things to make me sound like I’m in the inner circle of Palin’s friends, like you do. Don’t you still have a Restraining Order against you, filed by the Palin’s? GOT CULT? Any of em, all of em?

  • KatieAnnieOakley

    Hold on now – you just judged me as being “black-hearted and uncharitable”. So which is it? Are you judgmental – or just mental?

  • MouseFanSal

    Again, I am sorry you’re so hateful. Funny that you can demean and exclude her when she’d except you for who you ARE. NOT for whom she thinks you are by your snide and ignorant comments.

  • MouseFanSal

    “count on you to show up.”

    Pot, meet kettle. And I make up NOTHING. I am not you.

    What am I making up? Please give examples.

    If you’re so smart, why’d you readily believe the paternity lie, the Trig lives in Cali lie, the Piper lives with an aunt lie?


    I make up nothing. Please tell me what you think I make up?

  • MouseFanSal

    funny how you ignore that you’re a stalker and bully. Not to mention slanderer.

  • Anony Moose

    Could you be more full of moose doo doo, Kristy? Sarah accepts all? When will you realize that you are not Sarah’s friend? She has no friends only followers. You are her minion and nothing more. A tool.

  • MouseFanSal

    LOL at your blanket hate statements. Who’s delusional? EVERYTHING you’ve accused me of, you’re exhibiting signs of.

  • MouseFanSal

    1. she was shocked as she obviously never heard that from him.
    2. wow, 6 years old and out of context. lol Now I REALLY feel sorry for you.

    3. I’ve seen you write much nastier things that typical teen speak.

    4. and it’s YOU who writes with rage.

  • Interesting

  • Neko

    Palin is a willfully ignorant demagogue who profits from appealing to people’s worst instincts.

    She deserves any flak coming her way.

  • KatieAnnieOakley

    Oh, and speaking of Bristol – you know damn well Bristol doesn’t write her own Patheos blog – that was busted / debunked last week:

    Nancy French Revealed As Bristol Palin’s Blog Writer

    So why on Earth would I believe Bristol writes her Facebook posts? Nancy also was the ghostwriter for Bristol’s “biography” – so far…

    Remember, I’ve linked to her old MySpace account postings below… the girl is nearly illiterate.

  • MouseFanSal

    It is. I’ve heard atheists make blanket statements about all Christians just because of a radical group. It’s DISGUSTING and identical to people who group ALL muslims together when they really are talking about a few radical violent ones.

    “The secret history” needs to be required reading for every student.

  • MouseFanSal

    She just wants YOU to listen to your president in an objective manner and not kiss his ass as many do. Notice that mature critics got his admin to amend disastrous legislation and nix some as well.

  • MouseFanSal

    Your point? ??

  • Oh please.

  • Neko

    I don’t care what she wants. I find her contemptible.

  • KatieAnnieOakley

    So – you’re sooooo close with the Palin’s… answer the question: what charities does Palin give to? Be specific. Stop avoiding the question, and just answer it: which charities?

  • KatieAnnieOakley

    “…and not kiss his (Obama’s) ass as many do…”

    Is that a fair example of the sort of Christianity you practice?

  • MouseFanSal

    You really need to grow up. She’s a medical assistant for Fs sake. And she and Nancy are friends. Their kids are friends and talk about their adventures, like batting cages, sports and such things.

    smh at you.

  • KatieAnnieOakley

    Oh – more Christian language – “for Fs sake.”

  • MouseFanSal


  • MouseFanSal

    Did I say I was christian, or even religious? Words are words. Not that YOU can judge anyone for words 😉

    I’m actually atheist, but read about all of them because it’s interesting. Everyone has different beliefs, even people belonging to the same church or school of thought. Everyone takes away something different.

  • Guest


  • Nobody is demeaning Sarah Palin for being a mother. We’re criticising her for saying things that ‘re demonstrably wrong, and pointing out that they’re so wrong that she has to know it. You say we’re making stuff up. Fine. Show us where and how.

    If you think the above is demeaning to “motherhood” then dare I say you have a very flawed view of motherhood.

  • MouseFanSal

    Why do you ASSUME I practice any religion, let alone Christianity? I read about all.

  • KatieAnnieOakley

    Nancy and David French live in Columbia, Tennessee.

    Nancy is Sarah’s age, so – what is the commonality between Bristol and Nancy, other than Nancy was the ghostwriter on Sarah’s and Bristol books and Bristol’s Patheos Blog and probably her Facebook too? Nancy is an employee that makes Sarah and Bristol look good – and that’s it.

  • MouseFanSal

    Do you’re admitting to ignoring the fact that the people you associate with tell lies?

  • KatieAnnieOakley

    SO you admit you are not a Christian. No wonder you have a restraining order.

  • It’s on your itty bitty witty head.
    Get it? You got a pointy head.
    Do you post a C4P?

  • Projection thy name is Potsdam1lady.

  • MouseFanSal

    I NEVER said I was SO close. I can be an observer who knows things as you claim to. Thing is, you may pester ME for specifics but you NEVER provide ANY specifics for anything. You say you want her to be charitable and keep it quiet yet get all pissy when people say she is.

    And she supports Veterans orgs, last year she donated things to an orphanage in Mexico, food banks in AK. The woman who helps her with her son when she’s out of town is married to a Vet whom often talks about her patriotism.

  • The Pistol

  • MouseFanSal

    If you say so.

  • MouseFanSal

    ?? I don’t understand where the last past comes from.

    And ALL she asserts is an opinion. And her opinion isn’t a new thought and she’s never been the first one to express something about some political topic. She didn’t invent the drama. Problems with this admin began long before she started her post-Gov job.

    Keep in mind that if there were republicans who are your equals, your president would be no where NEAR the position he holds. Barack Obama’s lives is FILLED with controversy he never would have survived if repub. HOWEVER, republicans actually stick to politics, don’t pull random people to spotlight, don’t use personal things as propaganda, and don’t personally attack.

    Sarah’s only had positive things to say about Barack the man and his family. It’s on video.

    Notice that the things she’s criticized are things ALL his millions of critics criticize, including small businesses, the backbone of a country. And he had those things amended.

  • MouseFanSal

    What are you talking about?

    OY it’s like trying to talk to a snail.

    Though I am glad you’re not a Christian or you’d be one who might be attending opening day in hell.

  • MouseFanSal

    Again, I really don’t see what you’re talking about or the point of this. Considering Bristol has friends who are in their 30s and some in their 40s, (as did I at her age) this is a weird comment.

  • MouseFanSal

    True. They do hunt.

  • MouseFanSal

    From Piper:

  • SeekerLancer

    You’re made of some stern stuff Hemant. I didn’t even get past the first paragraph of the book.

    It’s pure religious right masturbation material right from the start.

  • KatieAnnieOakley

    But I am a Christian. You can’t go through what I have without Christ. That is no secret. I’m also a liberal, I’m educated AND I’m a Christian. In other words, your worst nightmare.

    I know Palin is NOT following Christ’s teachings – she twists them to do her Earthly bidding, and to manipulate people like you. Up is down, black is white – and Palin is a FRAUD.

  • KatieAnnieOakley

    Manufactured controversy – to keep PAC’s full. Any of em, all of em that you and others have donated to all these years.

    I don’t think referring to the President, saying he’s “Shucking and Jiving” when giving thoughtful consideration to a problem is respectful; neither is saying that the President of the United States should “grow some cojones”.

  • KatieAnnieOakley

    Male friends, to be sure…

  • MouseFanSal

    And she’s probably the most parentally acceptable girl in the world. Parents love her. Her bfs mom, bf’s sister, G’s family. She’s the type who has plutonic male friends and their moms LOVE her. Jake’s in particular. In 5 years of dating (normal span) she’s had like 5 real relationship, which is prudish.

    Just because a bunch of busybodies spend their short lives speculating, exaggerating, distorting and downright lying doesn’t change a person’s story. It’s telling that you would try to demean a person based on ADOLESCENCE.

  • I am a Catholic

  • KatieAnnieOakley

    You claim insider information… like “knowing” which charities she gives to, so – which ones Krusty? Which orphanage in Mexico? Or are you simply full of claims and no substantiation?

  • MouseFanSal

    Another weird comment. I was referring to coworkers. But men and women are different, except men typically don’t do drama, so they make better friends in many ways. She is friends with Todd and Track’s buddies. Has gone hunting with them. She remained friends with Ben, who was mainly a friend even though they briefly dated.

    I reckon you’re attempting to find demean this line of conversation too and make it something it’s not.

  • Why would you even post that?

  • Not any more. Pistol has been living in Arizona.

  • KatieAnnieOakley

    Now, Krusty – you know that’s not true about Bristol. You don’t know her – you don’t know the family – you said so yourself below. So, how can you make these claims about Bristol, or what charities the Palin’s give to? You can’t. You don’t know them. And yet – here you are, saying things you can’t possible know first-hand. Why do you suppose you do that? And “G’s family”? Is she back to swapping spit with Gino again? What about Joey Junker, or the rest of the Wasilla phone book?

  • Y’all are a riot! Hang on while I go get popcorn, ‘k?

  • ???
    You talk like palin.

  • MouseFanSal

    I meant all those blogs talking about Obama’s gay past, those interviews where the mothers of gay men devastatingly said obama had their sons killed in 07 so he could win the election. Those made airwaves but because they aren’t related to policy and because he’s democrat, they were buried instantly. Im not saying I believe them or that they matter.

    However, like I’ve said, if he were republican, he’d be Herman Cain. (btw, an accomplished man unlike Obama)

    So YOU are again a hypocrite for supporting a man with zero accomplish, skills, and lack of actual proven education yet condemning other for similar details

    just admit you’re a hypocrite. It’s fine. We all are at some point.

  • KatieAnnieOakley

    You said that “G’s family loves her”. So she’s split with Joey Junker – again? That revolving door of Bristol’s really spins, doesn’t it?

  • KatieAnnieOakley

    So you think that Obama is gay, and had people killed? And we’re supposed to believe you when you talk about the Palin’s?

  • MouseFanSal

    You’re not following Christ’s teaching with how you behave online. And excuse me, but I personally have seen and experienced everything in the book and I survived without belief in a higher power.

    So thank you.

    I doubt Christ would approve of your judgment on everyone who disagrees with you and your lies about them.

  • MouseFanSal

    Practicing? Because some of your comments aren’t written in good faith.Though as I said, it is to each her own.

  • Cake

    In the future, if you want people to take you seriously, you might want to reply to what’s actually been said instead of going off on some kind caffeine fueled rant.

  • MouseFanSal

    Im not taking away your right to think anything. I am lamenting people who spread lies for no reason about others.

  • KatieAnnieOakley

    And yet – you put all your faith in Palin. Remarkable.

  • She had a good teacher.

  • KatieAnnieOakley

    I’m here all week. *snark*

  • VinnieF

    This guy isn’t the sharpest tool in the shed.

  • KatieAnnieOakley

    Why are you using Piper’s musings to make a point? That’s DESPICABLE.

  • Sure thing.
    This is entertainment to me.
    Why so serious?

  • VinnieF

    Do you read any of the things she writes? She is constantly negative! She recently said she hopes the federal government becomes irrelevant. That’s an insult to all the great men and women that make up our government.

    BTW, I’m proud of the Constitution and the government that was created using it as its guiding principle. I’d hate to see that government become irrelevant.

  • MouseFanSal

    I see your reading comprehension is non-existent.

    Again, I wrote, “Im not saying I believe them or that they matter.”

    There WERE people who detoured off the middle path about him. But he is democrat. They matter to people when they concern republicans because republicans aren’t allowed to be HUMAN. NO republican feigns perfection yet people act like they do. In Sarah’s very first big speech she said they are like any other, the same challenges, the same joys. That is true. She’s honest about her shortcomings. About her much earlier inability to cook well, about her sisters being the nurturers… Those things weren’t secrets and people like you completely manipulated them to provide nasty propaganda. You lie about paternity. You lie about schooling. Maybe I should say you provide comment for things you know nothing about and draw conclusions using bad rumors and lies.

    How are you a grown woman and cannot see that?

    How gullible are you?

  • Neko

    Of course you’re not “taking away my right,” since you have no power whatsoever to do so. Who do you think you are?

    I hope you’re a paid troll; idolatry is a bad hobby.

  • So true.
    That comment by SP makes no sense.

  • KatieAnnieOakley

    Clearly, the posture is that of a VISITOR… and, based on the physical changes in her once youthful and beautiful face, I’d say she sees them quite often – its almost like working there!

  • Who is the babe in the white wearing the tiara?

  • VinnieF

    If Sarah Palin is in favor of the free expression of religious belief, why did she oppose a mosque being built near the site of 9/11 in New York? Shouldn’t Muslims have the right to worship where they want? Or is Sarah a little offended by this expression of a religion that she doesn’t believe in?

  • MouseFanSal

    Keep those lies spinning why don’t you. Sigh. You cannot even wait for clarification. You take things and run with them as you see fit. I meant past tense. Apologies. Though her ex is still friends with her sister and his family would have no reason to dislike her. unlike other Alaskan families, she doesn’t enter into relationship lightly and is choosy. It’s not like she’s ever lived with anyone, unlike another Alaskan family. Post-high school, THREE men in 5 years. That’s like sainthood. And a few in high school. One serious.

    why does this matter again? It’s not like a sane person can draw conclusions from words on the internet concerning another’s life. You nor I will never know these things first hand. Why try to judge or conclude anything?

    You ARE a mature adult right?

  • MouseFanSal


  • KatieAnnieOakley

    Isn’t it amazing that the people who claim to hate government the most are the ones that work / did work or want to work in it? Nothing like that government paycheck!

  • KatieAnnieOakley

    (she obviously didn’t catch that in the photo… *giggle*)

  • We’re criticizing Sarah Palin because the positions she takes are fairly repugnant, and are designed to “otherize” the people around her in order to make a profit. You responded by asserting that we shouldn’t attack her because of her “motherhood” which implies that doing the aforementioned poor conduct is part and parcel of being a mother. As such, I pointed out the obvious: that’s a pretty awful standard for motherhood.

    Nobody denies that Sarah Palin has a right to her opinions. She does, as we all do. That said, when you introduce those ideas into the public sphere they don’t magically get protected from examination and criticism because you happen to be a mother.

    As for smearing Sarah Palin, we’re quoting her book directly and pointing out the stuff we disagree with. In short, we’re accurately quoting her and then saying what’s wrong with those statements. If you think our criticism is wrong, then say so and make as to why. Simply reasserting that criticizing those positions as “personal” don’t explain them away.

  • KatieAnnieOakley

    And, don’t forget – when you want to exercise “freedom of religious expression” on PUBLIC / GOVERNMENT property – that means OTHER RELIGIONS will also want to exercise THEIR “religious freedom” too – you betcha! But, on private property, like your own front yard – who cares?

  • I do. Accurately.

  • MouseFanSal

    Really, because I most DEFINITELY have names of parents and friends. Her friend Jake’s mom LOVES her. She did babysit for friends younger siblings. She’s always been Lauden’s keeper. Erika LOVES her. She still has her plutonic male friends. Are you so old that you can’t comprehend that you can be FRIENDS with someone and not date them? Really?

    And YOU are the one who doubts Sarah’s words. It is YOUR responsibility to provide proof your doubts are true.

    Waitinnnngggg. Again, I’ve seen the pictures.

    Which is it Katie? you want her to engage in charity under the radar or be showy about it?

    It’s not like she lives publicly. look at the tweeters who mentioned being in her yoga class. Sure, she’s mentioned she likes Yoga once or twice, but isn’t showy. She has a life.

  • KatieAnnieOakley

    You said you knew which charities. So – which ones?

  • yes!

  • KarenJ

    Wow, that’s the most cogent analysis of the personality of Sarah Palin I’ve read in 5 years. Thank you, Hemant Mehta – keep spreading the word.

    BTW, what’s an atheist’s version of the anti-Christ? Because that’s pretty close to what Sarah Palin is.

  • MouseFanSal


  • MouseFanSal

    The location isn’t appropriate for a new Mosque.

  • Says who?

  • MouseFanSal

    How? Technically it’s public. And it isn’t despicable for you to trash her mom using your contrived lies?

  • Do you have an autographed photo of SP on your desk?

  • VinnieF

    Here’s some examples of the sweet, always positive Sarah Palin:

    “This ape-like behavior in the White House and in the Democratic-controlled Congress needs to be stopped. Americans will not put up with this for long.”

    “[Obama] is not a man who sees America as you and I see America. … [Obama] is someone who sees America it seems as being so imperfect that he’s palling around with terrorists who would target their own country?”

    “When that note comes due — and this isn’t racist.. but it’s going to be like slavery when that note is due.” (Actually, it is racist.)

    “We sometimes get the feeling that this administration hates true Americans… the type of Americans who came here and built this country, not the type who sat back on welfare handouts. The Obama administration keeps rewarding these same types of people while average Americans are told that their country is no longer Christian.”

    “Defaulting on our national debt is an impeachable offense, and any attempt by President Obama to unilaterally raise the debt limit without Congress is also an impeachable offense”

    “With Obama deciding to just, oh I guess, lead from behind on this issue too, that’s the community organizer in our president. That’s a little bit of that lackadaisical, eh you know, don’t have to take responsibility.”

    If you go to Breitbart or C4P you will see some very ugly anti-Obama comments. To say that the left is negative while the right, and sweet Sarah, are positive is to deny reality.

  • KatieAnnieOakley

    She’s a CHILD, KRISTY.

  • MouseFanSal

    Going on your point for a minute…

    So, you all can write highly negative posts and comments, yet she can’t? I’ve read some liberal blogs. ALL it is is propaganda and things out of context + opinion expressed as fact.

  • So true.

  • VinnieF

    Why? It’s just fine. I mean unless someone is offended by the free practice of another’s religion. Are you offended? Didn’t you read Sarah’s book or hear her rant about Duck Dynasty? Whenever someone expresses their religious convictions you’re just supposed to take it.

  • KatieAnnieOakley

    Why not?

    You can’t judge all Muslim’s by their extremist believers… why, that would be like calling all Christians terrorists because of a few clinic bombers…

  • VinnieF

    So now you at least admit that she writes negative comments? Yes, I would agree. I happen to be one of the people offended by her comments and I will reply with criticisms of her. Maybe that’s called free speech.

  • Whyever not?

  • MouseFanSal

    Wow, No words for you at all. You cannot even accept facts as they are. And she looks the exact same as she did in Governor’s ball pictures in 2006.

    It’s not like it matters that you don’t believe the fact that she’s worked somewhere since 2009 and is friends with her coworkers. That doesnt affect you in the least.

  • KarenJ

    After reading about Sarah Palin’s scattered higher education and the total lack of anyone who remembers her, and the secrecy surrounding her major, no pictures with appropriate gown and tassel (or hair color), and the mythology of her political career and failure of all her touted “accomplishments” as governor — not to mention zero skills as a huntress and cook (cooks moose chili and stew, cuts turkey with a cheese knife) — anyone (like you) who supports her is a fool as well as being a hypocrite.

  • MouseFanSal

    A coworker. Notice the Happy bday sign?

  • KatieAnnieOakley

    She lies. Often. And we debunk her. Constantly. And fools like you defend her – unquestioningly – when SHE expresses her opinion as statements of fact. The “war on Christmas” is a perfect example. But – why do you care? You’re not even a Christian. You defend her because its a learned response.

  • MouseFanSal

    I never said you had no right to comment and opine on her book. Likewise, I gave MY opinion as well. Aside from commenting, there are also tasteless comments rooted in negativity that I commented on too. That is how this entire broader convo started. I was voicing disapproval for people who condemn what they think is filth by writing filth themselves, not to mention lies.

    I really don’t care that anyone hates her book or any book. I cannot stand BIll Clinton’s but love Hillarys. i hate Obamas but findAnn Coulter entertaining. I hate Rushs books, but enjoy Meghan McCains’.

  • Neko

    Im not saying I believe them or that they matter.

    Classic. Some people say…

  • KatieAnnieOakley

    No – her looks have changed DRAMATICALLY:

  • MouseFanSal


  • KatieAnnieOakley

    What’s her name – I mean, you’re so close to Bristol and all…

  • MouseFanSal

    Tell that to Katie.

  • MouseFanSal

    OMG did i say I even AGREE with her beliefs? Obviously we do not share religious beliefs for reasons I’ve stated. And I’ve never even said I support her as a former politician. I am a person who reads books and likes ALL people, in that I find everyone interesting. I enjoy watching people grow and thrive. I am a people person. I taught 8th graders for 11 years. Best job ever, and I cherish subbing these days.

    My fascination here is reading people voice their contempt for a book in crass ways – full of judgment.
    I sit back and think, do some of these people actually know what they’re writing and how they sound?

  • MouseFanSal

    Not clueless, like you appear to be.

  • MouseFanSal

    Pot meet kettle.

  • Cake

    UWIR called, they want their Pedant parking sticker back.

  • MouseFanSal

    C4P isn’t negative and is FAR less negative than liberal blogs. They don’t personally attack DAILY like some liberals you know. They dont regularly post those pictures of michelle wearing spandex, or the incredibly awkward kissing pictures that make it look like Barack and Michelle rarely touch.

    And when a President disrespects hard workers by implying they’re ungratefully taking public capital, despite their tax dollars paying him, he COULD BE received as unAmerican. Especially since he had LOADS of help getting where he is. Business owners often have themselves.

  • KatieAnnieOakley

    C4Pee deletes any comment critical of Palin – you’re kidding right?

  • Cake

    Riiiiiight, they’re responsible for your actions, not you.

  • In case you forgot, the presidential candidate who talked about 47% of the population as moochers was Mitt Romney, who lost the election. People did see that as rather un-American, which is one reason he lost.

  • MouseFanSal

    Actually, I personally don’t care as outer buildlngs are the same to me. And if I were judging ALL Muslims, I’d say remove the other Mosques in lower Manhattan. I UNDERSTAND the people and their negative feelings about it.

    In reality, I have many friends who are Muslim activists and fight in hollywood to get projects greenlighted. Some work in Manhattan as well, as well as other areas.

    You don’t realize that in the last 10 years, it’s been impossible to promote any Muslim oriented art, education or culture. That isn’t a Sarah thing. It’s sad. People on a whole don’t realize early Muslim culture is a foundation for the world. But it’s understandable given the 90s rise of the Taliban that people are naturally skeptical. Don’t judge them for that.

  • MouseFanSal

    Your blog deletes any truth that refutes some ignorant thing people there write.

  • *snort*

  • VinnieF

    Here’s a small sampling from some recent comments on C4P. Yes, these are Sarah’s loving, positive followers:

    “We must ridicule constantly. Shove the Alyinsky right back in their faces.”

    “The new lunatic Mayor of NY, DeBlasio he will be a hoot and make the left look like what they are the “crazydaisys” this will be a blast!”

    “I’ve been over on that thread kicking commie butt. What morons! They got so po’d they were typing in caps! LOL.”

    “Plus we are smarter than these brain dead class envy morons.”

    “These people are really deranged! That’s why I call it U-DØPE-ia.”

    “Kurt has many aka’s….he is a sicko…and hates Sarah and women in general. Real scumbag.”

    BTW, all of these were from today and I didn’t even have to hit “Load more comments”.

  • MouseFanSal

    Romney has his own problems. I cannot stand him and voted democrat in 2012. Doesn’t mean I agree with Obama. It means it was a bad election. But people predicted far back that despite everything, the economy would continue improving so I felt voting Dem wouldn’t hurt.

  • VinnieF

    Yes, they do not tolerate any comments that are critical of Sarah Palin. They just can’t take it.

  • But that is the only person you could possibly have meant with your comment about presidents talking about hard workers ungratefully receiving public capital and being un-American. Well, unless you meant GW Bush, but his knocks on the working class were a little more subtle.

  • MouseFanSal

    Sounds like your blog. I’ve still read no personal attacks denigrating a family for no reason via slander.

  • VinnieF

    I’d like to ask how in the world Obama disrespected workers via some implication. Please don’t just give me a link to Breitbart that you didn’t even read yourself.

  • MouseFanSal

    i meant Warren and Obama’s saying “you didn’t build that.” Both are so wrong in those comments, ESPECIALLY when THOSE businesses PAY THEIR FUCKING SALARIES via taxes.
    That was not taken out of context. Yes business use public capital, but they pay for it in the end with MONEY, blood, sweat and tears while the people they pay made legislation that could hurt them.

  • MouseFanSal

    “you didnt build that.”

    See below.

    And don’t say taken out of context because it wasn’t.

  • MouseFanSal

    EXACTLY. And you make hate propaganda with his FAMILY. DO YOU NOT SEE HOW WRONG THAT IS

  • VinnieF

    The right completely misinterpreted Obama’s comments on this subject and you know it. To imply that this is a ‘negative’ comment on his part is really stretching.

  • MouseFanSal

    I didn’t defend her per say. Holy dang woman. I personally didn’t see her book as wholly negative like you. And when schools and communities have to be wary of celebrating any holiday for fear of insulting someone, we’re lost as the country we were founded as. There’s nothing offensive about wishing people Merry Xmas despite belief. The same goes for Happy Hanukkah etc.

    And You lie. Constantly. As you have tried here, about pointless things relating to her kids.

  • MouseFanSal

    No they didn’t. I explain below. Not writing it again. It was INSENSITIVE to say that and something a man who’s never worked in real business would say.

  • MouseFanSal

    So you can stalk her?I blacked out the faces for a reason. HOWEVER, BRISTOL names them in her book

    Man, you really have no life if this matters to you. Can’t argue with crazy, closeminded.

  • KatieAnnieOakley

    I get it. You read the book – now you’re an authority on All Things Bristol.

    Your family must be SO PROUD.

  • MouseFanSal

    Wow, the conclusions you draw and your lack of logic astound me. The older woman’s initials are JS. Another’s is ML.

    Funny thing is, your little friends use initials all the time.

    But you’re all allowed to do things others cannot.

  • KatieAnnieOakley


    No, m’dear – YOU posted screen grabs from PIPER’S online posts / blogs. PIPER – an almost 13 year old and a MINOR.

  • VinnieF

    The guy is President of the United States of America, he has been for over four years now, and you say he’s never worked in ‘real business’?! Are you crazy?

    No, I won’t scroll down to read your comment because I’ve heard that stupid argument before. Obama was simply saying there’s always been an infrastructure that we all use to do our business. Did you drive on a freeway today? Then you benefited from the work of the federal government.

    Why don’t you go back to C4P and tell them all you fought off the big bad commies. We’ve been banned so we can’t tell them that you’re really doing badly here.

  • VinnieF

    No, go to C4P and see for yourself. They’re all from today.

  • VinnieF

    But Sarah Palin endorsed Romney. You went against Sarah’s wishes.

  • VinnieF

    No, Katie and I are from PoliticalGates. We get trolls there from time to time. Their posts are not deleted.

    (Disclaimer: Katie and I are simply posters on that blog and don’t claim to represent the actual owners of the blog.)

  • KatieAnnieOakley

    She hasn’t been Bristol Bay in almost 2 years. What – you SAVE Bristol’s Facebook posts? Bet your hard drive is full of Bristol. BTW – are you straight, Krusty? I have to wonder…

  • VinnieF

    That makes no sense. You haven’t made a single argument as to why the mosque should not be allowed to be built. If anything you’re saying Muslims have been repressed and we should compensate by NOT restricting their culture in any way, shape or form.

  • KatieAnnieOakley

    So much wrong with that statement I don’t know where to begin… but I will say that the Taliban was organized in the early 1980’s. They were fighting the Soviets at that point – and believe it or not, Reagan was arming them and negotiating with Osama Bin Laden. Yup. Our puppet governments always, always end up turning on us in the end. Like Noriega. Like Sadaam Hussein.

  • KatieAnnieOakley

    “Are you crazy?” <—- is that a rhetorical question? 🙂

  • MouseFanSal

    lol She just looks older now that there’s no lower face fat. If she wouldve waited a few years, it would have evened out like Sarah’s did. Sarah as a teen had a round face. By age 22 or so, it was angular and more mature. That’s not really different though.

    These pictures were taken 4.5 years apart. Angles to camera are a little different, but they are basically identical and the one above is too. People do gradually change. These are big years for change.

    She’s still a pretty woman.

    What was the point of this? I forget. Why are liberals so superficial. Thank god their victims are strong.

  • MouseFanSal

    ?????? Ok you’re now off the deep end. And that is current.

    Though I DO remember when YOUR friends friended her (when she was Bristol Sheeran in 2010, when she first got fb) and they went apeshit with the “saving”

    Double standard.

  • KatieAnnieOakley

    Nice mouth. You kiss your cousins with that filthy thing?

  • Did the factory owners build the roads that let their workers get to work every day, or the schools their workers were educated in?

    No. No they didn’t. So they owe society back in extra taxes what they gain from the resources we all put in. And that is exactly what Warren and Obama said. Businesses use public capital and then pay miniscule taxes, far less than they take out- that should change. Furthermore, those business taxes also pay for subsidies back to those businesses a disturbingly high amount of the time, and who do you think has they highest-paid lobbyists and writes laws that Congresspeople then submit?

    We the people pay the salaries of the president and Congress. Not businesses. Shouldn’t the president and Congress then govern in we-the-people’s interests?

  • MouseFanSal

    But you DO attack them and have for years. You mangle their dating lives, fabricate relationships, invent narratives about school, ignore work history, believe paternity lies WHICH INVOLVE INNOCENT PEOPLE. FUCKING SICK ONE YOU ARE to throw this out there like it’s nothing. You basically behave like what you muse WOULDNT affect them if they were to read it, that you feel justified in writing nasty things about their mom, or aunt, or whomever, like it’s not supposed to sting. Disagree with a policy point of statement, fine. That is mature. But do all the above without conscience and damn woman, you hit deep end on hypocrisy and trash. It’s actually sad these kids are far more mature than you. They have their lives and live them without judgment or speculation about YOU.

  • Please. Explain to me how my comment is in any way projection. Go ahead. I’ll wait.

  • Brian T Hall

    I did not read Sarah Palin’s Christmas Book, I know too well Sarah Palin, (if she wrote the book) is a very poor writer, very poor critical thinker and so on.. instead I brought “I Am Malala” and “God is not Great” and I got for Christmas “Shakespeare for Dummies”.. I think 1/8 of one of these books I listed will have more vitamin value, then the whole Sarah’s book about her Christmas, I would not be surprised If one of the books I list have a lot better family values too learn about…

  • MouseFanSal

    As I said below, YES, businesses use public capital to function. These businesses also pay TAXES – taxes that pay salaries, roads and anything GOVT provides.

    HOLY FUCK people here are fucking slow. LIke I said, FOR A PRESIDENT, it was disrespectful. The backbone of a country is small business. 80%


  • MouseFanSal

    You ignore your “friend’s” daily attacks on people.

  • MouseFanSal

    You are literally the stupidest person on the planet. Ive said numerous times I am not a fanatic of Sarah Palin. I barely agree with her. I agree with libertarian views, some of which she supports.

    Ok, Im sick of repeating myself.

  • KatieAnnieOakley

    Hardly! A plastic surgeon asked to evaluate her before and after pics gives his professional opinion (this was before she admitted she had “corrective jaw surgery”). The pics are from her first season on DWTS and 2011 – less than one year.

    SNIP – “She had a double chin before and that’s gone now. It looks to me like she’s had extensive liposuction throughout her neck, including under her chin, which has clearly been liposuctioned, it’s obvious to me,” Glatt insists.

    “Her chin is a lot more defined, which can occur from aggressive lipo, but she may also have had an implant. Her chin is more straight and more defined afterwards, which really points to her having a chin implant as well.”

    As for her new-look mouth? There are two possibilities, but Glatt is leaning towards lip injections.

    “Her lower lip looks a lot more full,” he said. “It’s pretty obvious to me that she’s had something injected into her lower lip, nothing in her upper lip. If she had surgery recently, he lower lip could be swollen, but it looks injected, I don’t think it’s just from postoperative swelling, it’s more prominent.” – END SNIP

  • VinnieF

    No, just calling us slow doesn’t work. That’s a pretty childish tactic used by someone who is flailing.

    We simply don’t buy the anti-Obama interpretation that his comment is somehow disrespectful. He was simply saying we work together as a society to get things done. None of us truly do things without the help of others.

  • MouseFanSal

    Do you? I’ve seen things you write. Growup. Words are words. At least I respect people as contributing members of society.

  • KatieAnnieOakley

    Yeah Vinnie – she’s a fanatic and Officially Restrained Fan of Bristol!

  • VinnieF

    You’re simply denying that you were caught. You said C4P isn’t negative and I very quickly found several negative, recent comments from C4P.

  • MouseFanSal

    I am not talking about Corps. It would be GREAT is all small businesses made oodles of profit and never had to worry about tomorrow. That is not the case. Taxes are high for them. My dad ran a business employing 35 for about 30 years. He would spit in your face at the “miniscule taxes” line.

  • VinnieF

    “You are literally the stupidest person on the planet.”

    That’s something a 6 year old would use as a line of debate.

  • MouseFanSal

    Business owners are the PERFECT EXAMPLES of people who knows this first hand. Yes, they take the most risk, but they also rely on many people. Politicians also know this, as without grunt people doing the work and President reaping the glory, they’d be nowhere.

    And sorry about the outburst. People who cannot see how stupid a remark that was by the President make me wan to cry for every friend who’s shed tears over BAD legislation.

  • MouseFanSal

    Not really. I was talking about personal attacks on politicians, demeaning ones that perpetuate malicious slander and false narratives.

  • MouseFanSal

    It’s midnight and I’ve worked 30 hours straight and am having to repeat myself. Duh.

  • MouseFanSal

    That is a lie btw. But whatever. I have to go.

  • KatieAnnieOakley

    “…but they also rely on many people.”

    Ergo – “you didn’t build that” (all by yourself). From the bank that made the government-insured small business loan to the roads you drove on to get to the bank, you relied on pooled / socialized resources that creates things that benefit all people. Fresh drinking water? Safe food to eat? Paper to cut paychecks onto? That’s all from the labor of others for yours, mine and everyone else’s benefit.

  • MouseFanSal

    In 1996 the Taliban took control of Afghanistan’s capital, Kabul. That was when they were officially a thing. Reagan was not in the wrong, as nothing had turned fanatical. It’s complicated, but that to me makes the most sense.

    I feel for the millions of Muslims who are judged because of these assholes. I wish Afghanistan could be the wonderful place it once was.

  • VinnieF

    Maybe you should read again:

    “The new lunatic Mayor of NY, DeBlasio he will be a hoot and make the left look like what they are the “crazydaisys” this will be a blast!”

  • KatieAnnieOakley

    You mean, like

    Shucking and jiving?
    Grow(ing) a pair?

    Doesn’t get more personal than that, does it now>?

  • MouseFanSal

    lol You just took multiple paragraphs to say what I implied in one. That if she wouldve waited a few years, she wouldve probably lost the babyfat around her chin and wouldn’t have needed lipo. A la her mom. Sarah had the same face shape until she reached age 22 or so. Other than lipo, hardly an issue, she looks the same.

    It’s not like it affects you.

  • Compare business taxes to private income taxes, then get back to me.

    Not that I’m complaining. Our income tax rates are ridiculously low. But our business tax rates are lower. And you know what? Even with the taxes your father paid in, he still got more out of the system than he ever put in. That’s the whole point of Warren’s and Obama’s statements, and it’s one you obviously agree with. So why the vitriol?

  • MouseFanSal

    I actually think she was matching her critics and sexist counterparts’ attitudes. Even Hillary saw her share of crap. Men wont change until they see women aren’t complacent in lower roles. Sometimes it takes through it back in their faces.

  • Actually, corporate income taxes comprise 9% of federal government revenue. Payroll taxes, which are split between business and the individual, comprise 40% of revenue, so I can say that 29% of US federal revenue is business taxes.

    42% of revenue is individual income taxes, add to that the other 20% that is payroll taxes, and 62% of federal revenue comes from individuals like you and me. It is WE THE PEOPLE who pays the TAXES that pay for salaries, roads, and everything government provides. Businesses don’t pay very much at all, certainly far less than their fair share.

    *Numbers drawn from
    **Random capitalization because CAPS makes you RIGHT

  • Which part of “Sarah Palin isn’t possibly as dumb as she portrays herself, goes out of her way to piss atheists off, and has said numerous obviously incorrect things in inflammatory ways” is malicious slander or false narratives?

    Even if one uses these facts to conclude that Sarah Palin is not a good person, how is that malicious slander or false narratives?

  • Wrong.
    C4P is one of the most hateful sites that I have ever read.

  • You just don’t get it.

  • Linda1961

    It could be because Christmas has passed, but Palin’s book isn’t doing too well, so her strategy doesn’t seem to be paying off:

    Imagine trying to use the birth of the Prince of Peace, a man who had harsh words for the greedy and the selfish, to make money! Good to know that it doesn’t seem to be working.

  • Linda1961

    But some of the comments are quite hilarious, so it’s fun to read those for the lulz.

  • Anony Moose

    The Urinal is hateful, paranoid, and delusional. The worst part of it is that the admin deletes any posts that disagrees with the author or doesn’t praise Palin. What are you afraid of over there? You notice liberal blogs don’t do that. Liberal blogs actually practice free speech even for clown trolls like you.

  • Anony Moose

    Totally taken out of context, Ignoranus. Go read the whole text of his speech. Are you completely incapable of intelligent thought, Kristy?

  • RAM

    The backbone of a country, Shit For Brains, is the middle-class. For the love of God, go back to school and quit spewing your ignorant vomit. You are the most shallow troll ever, an inch deep maybe.

  • Bullshitometer

    I call “BULLSHIT” on Kristy Patullo, Queen of illogical reasoning and obfuscation.

  • Bullshitometer

    So ok for her and not for others? How about criticizing her then? Is she the only one who gets free speech? Not biased are you?

  • TheUrinalIsDeranged

    You, my dear, are literally the stupidest person on earth if you believe that. Dense as a rock and twice as stupid.

  • TrollCop

    You. Are. One. Sick. Fuck. Kristy Patullo.
    Get help.

  • SilasFriend

    Soooo, how about criticizing Palin for her hateful, venomous, screeching? Hmmmm? You’ve already said you don’t really like her. So……

  • Oh yes.
    This one is from Brianus.

    “Finally, we have our dear Sarah!!!

    She is a wonderful exemplar of both the “guardian” and the “producer” functions.

    She has always been a scrupulously honest PUBLIC SERVANT, standing guard over her People, over the Public Good. She has, IMV, perfectly preserved the sacred majesty of the Public Trust in her life.

    But she is also a producer. Look at Sarah the Huntress, for example, gathering good, healthy nourishment for her family!!”
    Sarah the Huntress? Ha ha ha ha ha ha!

  • Anonymous

    You’ve said you don’t care for Palin. Why are you obsessed with peeking in virtual windows to scrape up every morsel you can find? How do you know all these personal things about her and her family if A) you don’t know them and B) you don’t really like her? You make no sense. You better go put the fire out in your pants. “No mas pantalones!” Most adults can spot a pathological liar a mile away.

  • Anonymous

    OMG! Are you serious? She looks nothing like her real self. She has had lots of surgery. It’s really sad because she is so young and had a fresh, naturally pretty face. Get a grip.

  • anonymous

    AND it was obvious on SPA that the Tundra Turd knows squat diddly about shooting a gun. What a fraud.

  • Anonymous

    Tripp was 6 then? Really? Thanks for the confirmation. I think you are probably in deep doo doo with the Palins now.

  • Anonymous

    Total projection.

  • Anonymous

    As you kiss Sarah’s ass pray tell?

  • Anonymous

    Of course you have, dear. Twice.

  • Anonymous

    Yeah your numerous F-bombs were really classy. You taught school? Bullshit. Your grammar is horrid.

  • Anonymous

    Projection, narcissism, borderline personality disorder
    That sum you up, Kristy?

  • Glasofruix

    Caffeine? I’d say some psychotropic drug, how else could a person be so blind to reality…

  • Glasofruix

    Bristol? Medical assistant? Is it the end of the world already? The girl is barely able to write her name. Basically she has no relevant education to even allow her to empty the trash bin at the place.

  • Nomad

    I almost want to believe this about Palin. I want to believe that she’s not so vacuously stupid, that this is really a wheel within a wheel kind of plot.

    But I’m just not sure I can see it. The fact that she contradicts herself (or her ghost writer does) doesn’t really mean anything. She’ll say whatever she thinks will get the biggest response from her supporters, and if they won’t notice that some of those things contradict each other why should I think she would? She’s not trying to provoke atheists, she’s trying to provoke her followers, to push *their* buttons, to make them feel persecuted and threatened. It’s natural that the people she’s trying to whip up sentiment against will be angered by her actions, but I don’t think that that’s the goal.

    I’m surprised to find myself saying this, but I think Hemant sounds naive here. He laments what Palin has done with the power she has amassed, but he seems to forget how she got that power. Even before she stepped onto the national stage she was into nasty business in Alaskan politics. She did not get where she is by trying to make the world a better place. I see no reason to think that having gotten there she’d suddenly turn over a new leaf and start working to undo the damage that she did to get there. Instead the greater power and exposure has further corrupted her. The culture war is everything to her, to give that up is to give up the gravy train.

  • Choose_Freewill

    Palin is pageant-smart. She knows her audience. She knows what to say and when to say it. She has no need for knowledge from a textbook – she knows that her audience is not concerned with it.
    That being said, I believe that the best strategy for atheists and all those who oppose her ideology is the “forget you better still” approach.
    We spend so much time refuting our opponents that we rarely get OUR message out. Let Palin, etc. write their books. Their manifestos amount to nothing more than choir-preaching. I say let them choose the rope and in time we will be the ones watching as their politics twist in the wind.
    Politicians like Palin learned long ago that the message is nothing without delivery. They know how to deliver and it does not matter if their talking points lack merit.

  • FreeBird2

    She wont.

  • FreeBird2

    That’s funny….Thanks.

  • Derrik Pates

    These are the same sort of people that prattle on about how the words “separation of church and state” don’t appear in the First Amendment, so clearly it doesn’t exist. Subtlety is utterly beyond them.

  • Derrik Pates

    And her going on about how buying a gun as a gift for her husband – hey, whatever blows your (or his) dress up – is now an act of “civil disobedience”. Well, when you revel in the deaths of children, maybe it ought to be, but I’m pretty sure that buying a gun is still legal. Stupid, self- congratulatory, *and* conspiracy minded all at once. Everything I loathe about today’s political right.

  • Derrik Pates

    But the Constitution endorses Christianity, the only True and upright religion! It is known.

  • mellybel

    Wow. So he IS Levi’s kid.

  • Steve McQuiston

    If I have to deal with someone who has read this book, I think I’m not even going to dignify this book with an answer

  • Silas Friend

    Really? Do you respect President Obama? No? You respect no one who doesn’t worship at the feet of your goddess the Wasillabilly.

  • Guest

    You’re the junior high mean girl, right? You have all the snotty, illogical comebacks. That’s how we can identify you. You are a case of arrested development. It’s a shame your frontal lobe has never functioned well. Your cognitive abilities are very limited. Whenever you statements are challenged, rather than provide factual support, you drop into the junior high mean girl persona. I can almost hear your valley girl voice from her.

  • Anony Moose

    Can’t handle facts, Kristy? You are her tool. She uses you every single day. How does that feel, Kristy? Have you thought about that? Your life is hers. You do her bidding night and day. You have no life of your own. Have you thought about that, Kristy?

  • Guest

    Wow. You are WAY sicker and delusional than I thought. You are completely nuts.

  • Guest

    You repeat that mantra constantly. Why do it unless you believe it? Why spread rumor and innuendo, hypocrite? Why make things up?

  • Guest

    Like your lies about President Obama being gay? You keep spreading that rumor whenever you can. Funny thing is, I have never heard it except from you. Keep trying. Epic Fail, Kristy. You truly have shit for brains and a tiny, hard, black heart.

  • Guest

    Don’t you mean “Pot meet bedpan” as in the bedpan you polish and talk to?

  • Guest

    You can’t prove a negative, Shit For Brains.
    Therefore, show some proof that the Tundra Turd donates to ANYTHING. For the love of god, look at where her money laundering SarahPac scam spends its money. Doesn’t the FEC filings raise alarms in your mind? Are you incapable of any cognitive thought?

  • Cake

    It was only one of the first few comments I read of hers. The “Full Batshit” wasn’t apparent until later.

  • Living’ in the Last Frontier

    I live in Alaska. You are giving $arah way too much credit for being smart. She is NOT smart, just sly and a piece of white trash.

  • Greg G.

    To the extent that the Constitution endorses all religions, each the only True and upright religion, depending on who you ask, doncha know?

  • guest

    I’m sorry, but didn’t you also write in this thread that you AREN’T a Palin fanatic? Then how do you know so much about her?

  • Derrik Pates

    I was actually going for sarcasm there. 🙂

  • Guest

    LOL The Tundra Turds book has plummeted to Amazon Best Sellers Rank: #191,485 in Books (See Top 100 in Books) since yesterday. ROFLMAO! Pure crap laying at the bottom of the barrel with the rest of the turds. That rank is very telling, isn’t it?

  • Guest

    Poor baby, poor baby! Hurts to know you participate in a hate cult, doesn’t it?

  • Palin was excluded from the Republican Convention.

  • The Tundra Turd? Ha! That made me laugh!

  • FreeBird2


    This is a new development – for years, Palin’s “personal scandals” were not very popular among journalists!

    Sarah Palin: A female Bill Clinton when it comes to sex?

    Interesting that one of the most vocal and often-quoted supporters of
    controversial “Duck Dynasty” reality show star Phil Robertson is another
    figment of celebrity-fantasy — failed Alaska governor Sarah Palin, the
    one-time sex symbol of the rabid right.

    In politics, where hypocrisy abounds, Palin is a standout when it comes to being everything she rants and raves against. The self-styled defender of family values is a female Bill Clinton: Someone who sleeps around. While dating future husband Todd Palin, the then-Sarah Heath, a sports reporter for an Alaska TV station, reportedly shacked up for a night in a dorm room with a college basketball star in what those close to her say was just one of a string of casual flings by a sexually-adventurous woman.

    In college, Palin was known as a wild child who attended five schools in six years. A favorite photo of her from her college days showed a young woman on a
    bed in a college dorm room wearing a t-shirt that said: “I may be flat
    broke but I’m not flat busted.” After marriage, she embarked on a
    six-month affair with Palin’s partner in a snowmobile business and news
    of his wife’s amorous activities led an angry husband to dissolve the
    partnership. Those closest to Palin say that while the one-time vice
    presidential candidate who became a political joke likes to spend time
    in bed with a variety of men, those who sample her favors is apparently
    not husband Todd. The Palins, they say, have slept in separate bedrooms
    for years now.

  • bismarket 1

    You know when people say “I was sick a little bit in my mouth”……………….?

  • Greg G.

    I thought so but wasn’t quite certain. I tried to make my reply work either way.

  • Greg G.

    “Survival of the fittest” (a term which I think I heard Darwin never even used) refers to entire species…not individuals.

    Richard Dawkins will kick your ass for not reading The Selfish Gene.

    The whole species of gazelle doesn’t have to outrun the fastest cheetah for the species to survive, just some individuals with genes that allow them to outrun the slowest gazelle drives evolution.

  • FreeBird2
  • FreeBird2

    Never hurts to look back….”You Betcha”

  • Dienekes

    I’ve actually debated several xians who say things very similar to “We all appreciate religious liberty, but it should be liberty for all, not favoritism for some.” I don’t think this is as telling as Hemant indicates. These people actually believe that their religious “freedom” is dependent on being able to force their religion down other people’s throats. If anyone fights against that religious oppression, they actually believe that that is oppression of THEIR freedom. It’s amazing, but true. These people are so delusional, they actually believe this and can’t for the life of them understand how anyone could think otherwise, even when you give the example of “would you be okay with living under Sharia Law?” Their response is usually “America is a CHRISTIAN nation, not a muslim nation!” It really is highly disturbing. But then again, their cult is dwindling, so eventually we’ll be strong enough that it won’t matter. But we all have to keep up the fight until we get over that hump!

  • FlameMammoth

    Oh boo-hoo, stop claiming hate/persecution… you sound ridiculous and make a mockery of the REAL persecution & hate Christians in other parts of the world experience. People are not hateful toward ONLY Christians, you ever hear of Muslims, or atheists, or gays? Thats right, those groups have suffered REAL discrimination/persecution in America from so-called Christians. People are hateful towards toward those groups too… and most are Christians, since Christianity is the majority religion in this country. Odds are, you personally haven’t had to deal with any REAL oppression because of your faith. Being teased online or criticized for proselytizing doesn’t count as persecution.

    I didn’t make any blanket statements about ALL Christians, just the radical ones who want to force their religion onto others through the legislative process. Many Christians make blanket statements about everyone who is different from them whether they are gay, liberal, muslim, atheist, etc… so stop complaining, you’re being a hypocrite. It seems like I struck a nerve with you… why are you even on an atheist website if you can’t handle being challenged on here?

  • Rob

    Two things:

    I don’t know how you do it, Hemant! I myself have gotten used to xtian apologists* lying. And lying and lying and lying. And lying and lying and lying and lying and lying. Any xtian smart enough to observe that god needs defending is smart enough to quickly realize that truth cannot do the job. How about “Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.” Keeps me feeling happy and safe. Also, not reading books like that.

    Other thing is that Disqus often causes me problems on this site. This is a rare occasion that comments appear, usually I get the “Disqus is taking longer than usual – reload?” and clicking doesn’t work. I have to wait until my next visit to the site, after closing my browser.

    * as apologists, they should certainly be sorry, but they’re just not

  • Arval Becker

    I thank you for reading that piece of literary dog piles, and want to know where to send contributions to the restoration of your sanity from that book. The only thing worse would be to hear the words spoken in her voice as you read.

  • KarenJ

    You sure get around on the blogs, don’t you, Potsdam1lady? You posted non-stop yesterday on one other, can’t remember which one. Your Obama hate seems to mirror Sarah’s Obama hate exactly. Makes me wonder, which Palin family member is a shut-in connected to a laptop?

  • KarenJ

    It’s a pain to know such a logical, clear-eyed explanation as yours, KAO, swoops right over the intellect of Potsdam1lady. Hard to believe there are folks in America as blockheadedly dense as “she” is.

  • KarenJ

    “…matching her critics and sexist counterparts’ attitudes.”

    You RWNJs attack en masse when a lib descends to your level and “matches…attitudes” with your ilk. But that doesn’t happen often, so that’s why you all have to make things up, like the purposeful misinterpretation of “you didn’t build that”.

    Are you saying that it’s OK for Sarah Palin to get down in the mud and wrestle with her critics? She’s not taking the high road? Tell us something we didn’t already know.

  • KarenJ

    What do you think of his gentlemanly acceptance of Melissa Harris-Perry’s twice-offered apologies for the misstep on her weekend show a week ago?

    That was quite a bit more magnanimous and without caveat than Sarah Palin’s backhanded “acceptance” of Martin Bashir’s apology, because she segued right into a rant about MSNBC, the media, and her critics — she can’t resist making any issue all about her.

  • KarenJ

    Yeah — “work” being madly surfing the blogs after Google alerts showing where Sarah Palin is being discussed. Your “Potsdam1lady” moniker is all over the place these 30 hours straight.

  • KarenJ

    Technically, the picture of the Romney family with all those children including adopted Kieran was public, too.

    So, according to your “logic” Melissa Harris-Perry wasn’t out of line remarking on the picture or speculating what a future union of a Romney and a West would be like.

    So it seems you’re out of step with the folks who attacked MHP. Who knew? If your employer the Palin Mafia ever does, you’re out of a job, sweetie.

  • KarenJ

    “Plutonic”? Don’t you have spellcheck? (oh, that’s right, spellcheck doesn’t help if the writer is clueless about meanings of words)

  • KarenJ

    That screengrab is a classic in every way. Wig off kilter, drug-addled eyelids, protruding tongue and cock-eyed mouth — and that jacket! Who is so clueless about couture that they’d wear a fabric-rose-festooned flesh-colored jacket?

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