College Student (Seriously) Argues It’s Tough Being a White Christian in Kansas December 16, 2013

College Student (Seriously) Argues It’s Tough Being a White Christian in Kansas

It doesn’t take a lot to convince me it’s hard to be gay or lesbian at Liberty University.

For that matter, it’s probably very hard to be a conservative Christian at, say, a progressive liberal arts school like Reed College.

But being an evangelical Christian at a school in Kansas? Not hard. Seriously. Not even close.

So let’s watch Kansas State University freshman Laura Meyers attempt to make that case, anyway:

I am a minority. Not only am I left-handed and red-haired, but I am also a Christian conservative on a college campus. Do you know what that’s like? It’s like being Madonna in a monastery.

If I’m being jumped by a classroom full of liberals, I just think, “They’re just mad their health care website can’t function properly. They haven’t read the Constitution, they don’t know. If anything happens, at least I’m a part of the armed party.”

The persecution complex runs deep in this one. If you’re “jumped” in the classroom, it’s probably because you’re in an environment where bad ideas are supposed to be rebutted, as opposed to church where bad ideas are greeted with a hearty “Amen!”

That’s what this is really about. Meyers is so used to being around people who think like the does that she’s shocked to learn there’s another world outside her bubble.

If you believe that a man once came back from the dead, or that homosexuality is somehow evil, or that someone is listening to your prayers, or that Creationism is legitimate science, you better be able to back it up. If you can’t, then don’t be surprised when students at a public university challenge you on your absurd theories. (I should mention that, at the same time, it’s a professor’s responsibility to make sure discussion in class remains civil. No student should feel uncomfortable sharing their ideas in the classroom.)

Still, it’s noteworthy that Meyers’ main example of persecution boils down to “Someone didn’t like what I said in class.” Which I’m guessing is a slightly different answer than all the black, lesbian, Muslim, and atheist students would give… if that’s the hardest part of being a white Christian, her life must be pretty damn good.

As one extremely level-headed commenter on The Collegian website wrote,

… some people are obnoxious. But after you’ve spent more than one semester on campus, you’ll realize that most people aren’t going to hold your beliefs or opinions against you. If you’re nice, people will be nice back… People don’t get upset with people for being Christian and conservative, or for being atheist and liberal. They get upset with people for being ignorant and confrontational.

By the way, I just checked and there are at least two dozen Christian student groups at KSU. (There’s one for atheists.) Even if you *feel* like a minority on campus, there’s more than enough of a support system for you.

She’ll make a great reporter for Fox News Channel one day.

(via WWJTD)

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  • WallofSleep

    “If anything happens, at least I’m a part of the armed party.”


    I know plenty of liberals who own guns and are actually quite good at using them. Could this idiotic stereotype please die already.

  • When the came for the left handed, I did not stand and speak, because I used the correct hand….

    When the came for the gingers, I did not stand and speak, because they are soulless monsters….

    When they came for the conservative white Christians,… they actually elected them to run every branch of the state government in Kansas as well as all of the Representatives to federal government.

  • I always love those who at once preach the sanctity democracy and the constitution, and then remind people that they are armed if they don’t get their way.

  • Castilliano

    For those others who think Louis C.K. is hit or miss.
    Definitely a hit here. Watch the video. Wish I could show Laura Meyers it.

  • God’s Starship

    Sounds like she’s the type who will be trolling this site one of these days. I look forward to “persecuting” her.

  • God’s Starship

    Yeah, I come from a liberal family and nobody is shy about owning guns. It’s just that nobody gets in anybody’s face about it. Everybody except maybe that one wacky uncle seems to understand there’s a time and a place. It’s always strange listening to right wingers talk like they’re the only people with guns in the country.

  • Fred

    Jihad Envy.

  • Dave

    I’m a Christian and follow the 10 commandments, except for number 5. Or is it number 6?
    Anyway I’m armed and ready to shoot anyone who I don’t like.
    Especially that right handed blonde bitch that got my place on the cheerleading team. I bet she’s a liberal to. A hollow nose copper jacket’s going her way first.
    What would Jesus do?

  • Yes, see, if she can’t make everyone be hypocrites and pretend to agree with her and pretend they aren’t doing stuff that she doesn’t approve of (even if she’s doing it herself) then that’s persecution. I hear this all the time. People that everyone likes just fine and no one is mean to ever will go on facebook and act like they are being persecuted. There are religious groups all over most college campuses and no one has a problem with them. It’s the fundamentalists that are angry that they let atheists form a group or gays or anyone who dares disagree with them. And then they act persecuted. It would be funny if people like this didn’t run a major political party.

  • Many years ago (excuse me if I’ve told this story before) I was at a summer opera workshop with a girl just like the one in the story. One day she actually said to me, “I really like you but I just don’t approve of your lifestyle.” I took a deep breath and said to her, “I’m sorry I don’t remember asking for your approval. I don’t need your permission to live my life by my own standards so on behalf of gay people everywhere I’d like for you to know that we don’t need or require your permission. All I ask is that you not interfere with me living my life as I see fit and I promise to extend the same courtesy to you.” She stood there with her mouth open as others applauded. I took a bow and left. (I was quite dramatic in those days.) I think she actually thought that her disapproval meant something to me. That I was just sitting around opening that her little sheltered Bible-thumping self would offer me her stamp of approval. I hear that as the subtext every time I hear someone on the right talk about “acceptance of homosexuality”. They are upset that they can’t shame people into pretending they aren’t having sex any more and it just frustrated the crap out of them. (Never mind that the rate of teen pregnancies is high in this group thanks to abstinence only education but that’s another topic…hypocrisy among social conservatives.)

  • And wasn’t that an odd thing to say. The people who don’t have guns are going to come and do what to the people who do? It doesn’t even make sense. It’s not that she’s stupid. I don’t believe that, but she’s grown up bombarded with such cognitive dissonance that it doesn’t occur to her to actual listen to the things she says (probably parroted from her pastor or a right wing tv or radio show).

  • I don’t own a gun, but I do know how to shoot one and where to get one if I ever need to. I don’t imagine that will be a problem. I was once in a show (Der Freischutz if anyone knows their German romantic operas) which required several of the men to pretend to shoot. I was the only one (including a couple of right wingers) who had any idea how to hold a rifle (especially when NOT shooting it). One guys was waving the thing around. Seriously, you’d think at least people might have seen a movie and have some idea bout gun safety.

  • Rain

    Is that actually a real person? Pretty hilarious article. Literally! Funny as heck.

  • Moose McNuggets

    Slight correction: She doesn’t have theories, she has notions. Theories require evidence.

  • LesterBallard

    You just persecuted her with your comment.

  • LesterBallard

    Raises hand;

  • What would Jesus do? Shoot first and let God sort them out…. wait. Stupid Trinitarianism ruins another joke.

  • Rain

    Looks to be like an Ann Coulter type of comedy-satire-that-pretends-to-be-for-realz person. Probably cynical and hates all of humanity lol.

  • I think not being aware of it is part of the definition of privilege.

  • diogeneslamp0

    Dear Christian conservatives,

    Oh. You have guns. How nice for you.

    Here’s a reminder: America’s Manhattan Project nuclear weapons were designed and built by atheists using theories of physics devised almost entirely by atheists.

    And plutonium is not that hard to get these days.

    But if it makes you feel good to threaten us with your arsenals of pea-shooters… How democratic and law-abiding you fascists are.

    Just sayin.

  • ShhhImReading

    I’m quite liberal, but I do not wholly identify as one because of the gun issue. I don’t currently own one, but it’s mostly for financial reasons (I can always think of something else I need to pay for rather than a shotgun). Were money no issue, I would have a shotgun in the home (i do, however, have one picked out), and I would carry a handgun as well. Probably a .38 that I could use a .357 in if I needed to. My dad lives in a cabin in the woods, so I learned to shoot a long time ago. On the other hand, I was raised more with knives, and my dad gave me my first switchblade when I was eleven (I had some Swiss Army knives prior). I personally feel that if I am going to take a life, I need to seriously mean it, and if I am not willing to put in some effort (guns are easy to kill with, knives less so), I don’t deserve to do it. I do not, for any reason, object to killing in self defense, and I would not hesitate if it came to that, but when it comes to killing, unless the situation is truly dire, bullets are for pussies who don’t want to get their hands dirty.

  • diogeneslamp0

    “Jihad Envy.” New meme.

  • ShhhImReading

    Also, the only actual atheist boyfriend I’ve ever had (so many lie on the first date!) was a captain in the army and we shot a lot of guns together. His bedroom had three pieces of furniture: a bed, a nightstand, and a giant gun safe.

  • “I’m sure that in 1985, plutonium is available in every corner drugstore, but in 1955, it’s a little hard to come by.”


    Speaking of finding radioactive materials. There’s this little gem from the 1950s

  • $925105

    When I moved to Kansas from Alaska to attend graduate school I was shocked about the explosion of Christianity on the campus. In my undergrad there was a campus preacher who was relentlessly mocked, but in Kansas there were numerous preachers handing out bibles, religious crap written in chalk on the sidewalks and numerous campus Christian groups. Heck, even to work on the campus you had to swear an oath to God that you weren’t doing anything naughty. I attended a public university.

    Christians the minority? She probably thinks she’s the only true Christian and all the others are poseurs. Fuck her and her self-righteous bullshit. She only wants to feel persecuted because it makes her feel special. I’ll bet she intentionally antagonizes others just to get the self-righteous, persecuted Christian feeling.

  • She is perhaps a journalism major, and was asked to write an opinion column. This was the best she could come up with. She is probably regretting it.

  • Gehennah

    Any chance she attends Phelp’s college in Kansas?

  • Terry Firma

    I read her article as a reflection of what it’s like to be a conservative in a predominantly liberal academic environment, which might be a somewhat valid topic of discussion. I’m not sure her whiteness or Christianness were really the issues where she felt like a fish out of water.

    EDIT: OK, I was half-wrong. She does talk about Jeebus more than I remembered (I read her piece for the first time last week).

    I’ll say this for her, though: she is slightly self-deprecating and I don’t get an over-entitled vibe from her. She’s young and inexperienced, but my sense is she’s got the goods to grow out of her blinkered worldview (isn’t that what college is partly for?) and blossom into a halfway pleasant person (and a decent writer).

    Let’s please not gang up on her.

  • John Conolley

    You can’t fire .357 ammunition from a .38. You can fire .38 ammo from a .357, but it tends to foul your weapon.

  • He seems to be quite popular. I hear many comedians praising his style and talent, but I don’t understand why. I feel like a minority, AND I’m mixed-handed! AND AN ATHEIST!

  • HyperKangaroo

    This article is so much shit. From the content to the actual writing itself. It took me a long time to read her
    article because I had to stop because I had to read each paragraph at
    least twice to understand what she was saying. I’m not the one with a
    reading comprehension problem. Maybe I’m used to reading college
    articles only written by Medill students (where anything with faulty
    grammar and lack of fact checking is an automatic F), but her writing
    skills could use some more time in the oven.

    Also, her switch
    between formal and informal tones is awkward at best.It’s a sad display
    of writing skills. It belongs on a personal blog, not the op-ed column
    of a college news source.

    Also, she realizes that in using the
    phrase “Madonna in a monastery”, she virtually undermines her entire
    claim/assumption that she’s a minority, right? She assumes that her
    readers have enough religious knowledge to know what that means (I have
    no idea what that comparison means. Isn’t a Madonna religious portrait
    of the virgin Mary? There isn’t a definition on Google). That means that
    she must be in a area where the majority are Christians who are likely
    religious enough to get that reference.

    And of course, I’m not
    even going to go into all her claims because a lot of them include
    faulty logic, like the one displayed in the previous paragraph. Other people have also criticized her fairly already and I don’t want to repeat post 😛

  • Bob Becker

    Not one of CK’s better riffs.

  • Guest

    As someone that attends a school in Kansas (and has friends at Kansas State), this is definitely a case of not realizing how privileged you really are. I have yet to hear any of my friends at K-State complain about persecution or anything similar; rather, they love it and applaud what kind of college experience they have there. I can say the same about my school (although it IS a Christian liberal-arts college). Definitely not conservative by any means, however.

  • NG

    If being at K State shocks her, would KU make her head explode? KU and Wichita State were the locations of skeptic conferences this year and not K State

  • TCC

    You think that’s bad? Look what it did to Christianity.

  • TCC

    I suspect that “Madonna” was a reference to the pop singer, not the Virgin Mary. It’s an amusing juxtaposition, though (albeit likely unintentional on the author’s part).

  • Dekker Van Wyk

    You ‘can’ fire .357 Magnum ammo from your .38 Special, but you do so at the considerable risk of blowing up your gun and losing a few of your fingers.

  • Mario Strada

    Indeed. She is probably an evangelical so the only “Madonna” she knows of is the Singer. She would call her Madonna “Mary” most likely. It’s the Catholics that are obsessed with the “real” Madonna.

    Of course, I could be wrong since I am coming from a Catholic background, but I have never heard an evangelical rhapsodize about the “Madonna”.

  • TCC

    Yeah, I grew up in Baptist churches, and I never heard the term “Madonna” used in church (unless it was the pop singer being trashed, as was bound to happen growing up in the ’80s/’90s).

  • Baby_Raptor

    I wonder how often this kid jacks off to his lies and martyrbation fantasies.

  • Dekker Van Wyk

    “Martyrbation” 😀 Thanks for giving me my first laugh of the day. I will definitely be using it in the future.

  • John Conolley

    You really, really can’t. You could put .357 cartridges in the cylinder, but you couldn’t close it; the cartridges are just too long.

  • Guest

    C’mon. White Christians are the least persecuted group in recorded history.

  • Mario Strada

    What a Feeeeling!

    Ta Dum

    Bein’s believin’

    Ta ta dum

  • Baby_Raptor

    You’re welcome! Glad I could help ^_^

  • Mario Strada

    You better believe it that if a bunch of Theo-fascists are coming for me some day I’ll give them a special welcome. I have no compunction about owning guns. I just think they should be better regulated and owners should pass exams just like we do when we drive cars.

    Other than that, I did 2 years in the army (Lance Missiles that could shoot actual nukes) and among other things I was a firearm instructor (Well, assistant, but sin e the real one was a drunk, I ended up doing most of the work).

    I know how to shoot and I don’t shoot to wound.

  • Dekker Van Wyk

    Then it might have been just the specific model of .38 Special that my uncle owned that had a cylinder long enough to accommodate .357 Mag. Can’t remember the exact make or model (this was some years ago), but it was definitely a .38 Special.

  • cary_w

    If she really has Irish ancestors who came to the US during the potato famine, they must be rolling over in their graves to hear her “persecution” story. Those people faced real persecution in the US, which was still better than starving or freezing to death. But their poor, poor great-great grand daughter, who always had enough to eat, and shoes and warm coats, and got a free education through high school that was of good enough quality to get into college, which her parents are probably paying for, has to deal with other students challenging her views. Boo Hoo. I’d like to see her survive a winter on starvation rations with one pair of worn out shoes and a threadbare jacket and then find a way to make a living in a new country that considers your kind dirty and lazy, starting with no education and $5 in your pocket. Pretty much anyone going to college is privileged, so suck it up and take advantage of the incredible opportunity for an education that’s been handed to you.

  • SeekerLancer

    Sometimes I wonder if they think the constitution they pretend to care about is just a big letter that says they can shoot their government if they don’t like it.

  • Dave

    Well, there is some evidence to support anti-conservative leanings in some fields.

  • SeekerLancer

    I think people like that assume you’re ashamed of who you are because they’re taught that it’s something to be ashamed of. They assume you think what you’re doing is a sin. It’s actually quite wonderful that the most shocking and mind-bending thing you can often say to people like this is that you’re not ashamed and you don’t give a damn about having their permission to continue being yourself while not hurting anyone in the process.

    Anyway, bravo. I’ve had a pretty crappy month so I’ll take all the uplifting stories I can get.

  • SeekerLancer

    No you’re right. I’m sure most evangelicals would look at you real funny if you called a portrait of Mary a “Madonna.”

  • John Conolley

    If the cylinder was long enough to accommodate .357 ammo, it was definitely a .357. That he was firing .38 ammo didn’t make it a .38.

  • ArcanRed

    Be sure to check out her other articles on the Collegian site to find out why people ACTUALLY dislike her.

  • John Lev

    Reminds me of the two girls from Liberty U. who came up to the Reason Rally. IDK if they planned to be there or stumbled upon it but either way, for some reason they decided they needed to earn some jewels for their crown and engaged us in discussion. They actually tried to convince us that they, as christians, were being persecuted at L.U. of all places. *facepalm* Why? Seems someone down there told them their beliefs were silly. Oh the horror.

  • Guest
  • JWH

    Actually, I think you can make a case that it can be difficult for conservative Christians on college campuses. But Laura Meyers does not make that case.

  • MineApostasy

    Definitely, Hemant even mentions that it’s probably difficult at a liberal uni like Reed, but that’s probably just the conservative part, not the Christian part.

  • Wildcard

    That was really good. Congratulations, I don’t think I would have been able to articulate myself so well in that situation.

  • Neko

    That was charitable! “Be a strong little Crayola crayon”? Though I’d hate to be confronted with anything I wrote at that age.

  • Susan Wood

    I’ve dealt with students like that. They find it an affront to their beliefs if they’re even asked to read things they don’t agree with, although the whole point of the reading assignment is to provide fodder for discussion in which they’ll have ample opportunity to air their own views.

    I actually had a student tell me once to purge a video from the department library and never show it again in any class because it was offensive to her. Why? Because it was about preserving antiquities in Egypt, and she thought it was too sympathetic to Muslims. (Student: “Why does that guy think western countries owe anything to third world countries like Egypt?” Me: “Maybe because Egyptian antiquity is part of our heritage, too?”Student: “Why can’t they pay for the conservation themselves with their oil money?” Me: “Uh, because Egypt doesn’t have any oil money?”)

  • Stev84

    According to the comments in the article, the environment there is also more conservative than she claims.

  • wialno28

    I skimmed a couple of them, but my eyes started bleeding so I had to stop.

  • wialno28

    You win at life. Bravo!

  • JA

    The persecution complex is strong with that one.

  • Raising_Rlyeh

    “They’re just mad their health care website can’t function properly. They haven’t read the Constitution, they don’t know. If anything happens, at least I’m a part of the armed party.”

    Jesus fucking christ, how can anyone be that goddamn stupid? The healthcare website is fixed and guess what? People who didn’t have health insurance are getting it. I have read the constitution, but you probably only know the 2nd amendment and think that the first means the government can’t prevent prayer in school. I don’t like guns, but don’t fucking act like liberals don’t Also, what does “jumped” mean? What do they attack your ideas? Oh boo frickity who. So someone is challenging your ideas and you equate that to being jumped? I have known gay people that were actually jumped by conservative christians and got hurt.

    “I’ve never seen a diversity poster or presentation in which a person or text said, “No matter if a person is white, conservative or Christian … ”

    Because they are not a minority. Usually they are the ones you have to tell that there are others who exist that are not male, conservative, white and christian.

    “Virtually every victim of the knockout game has been white.”

    The knockout game is a media invented idea. Just like they made up the idea of “clear parties” and people heard of them and started doing it.

    “Likewise, when someone tries to force feed me some white guilt, I stand tall and say “I’m proud my ancestors hopped on a boat to America when they ran out of potatoes. I think that’s super cool. I like my freckles, thanks.”

    No one is trying to force feed you white guilt, but you should think about what your ancestors went through when they got here. “No irish needed” signs were quite common. Also, while you shouldn’t feel guilty for being white you should realize that many people were hurt by white individuals.

  • moose

    Yes, this. I don’t own a gun and have never fired one. I also support reasonable controls and have no plans to buy one myself. But every time I read a comment like this (and I’ve read plenty), I start rethinking my position. At the very least, I think it may make sense to take gun lessons so that if and when this woman and her ilk decide to rise up, I’ll be trained. When they come for me, I would also like to give them a special welcome.

  • PaulJmsn

    Thumbs up to you, fella!

  • Alan E.

    She needs a better simile. Here’s one for her.

    “It’s like being a salad bar at a Pizza Hut.” Only the most devout dieters would eat from it, but even then you would wonder why they are there in the first place if they are getting salad. From a Pizza hut.

  • Whoever’s in charge of the journalism department at her college is probably well into the second bottle of bourbon by this point. I hope in the ensuing days this writer’s gotten some guidance about this piece. It’d be interesting to see if she still thinks this way.

    I knew some tiresome, tedious dipwads in college who wanted to have a “White Student Union.” At the time it sounded oh so very daring–why didn’t we have that? I wondered briefly, till I talked more to my minority friends and realized just how bad of an idea that was. I still hear from men who don’t perceived that they’ve ever “benefited” from male privilege so obviously that means it doesn’t exist. And of course evangelical Christians are all convinced that they are being “persecuted” when really they’re just total assholes to everybody who isn’t in full lockstep with themselves. It truly cheapens the very real suffering of the various truly persecuted people around the world when some white-bread, sheltered, privileged young woman–whose various group affiliations mark her as a member of dominant majorities all the way around–whines piteously about oh how very persecuted she is now that people are–GASP!–disagreeing with her chirping from time to time. She’s in for a rough go of it if she doesn’t figure her butt out. I don’t know whether to be amused or filled with contempt for her outraged mewling.

  • Well done, bravo! I bet that blew her little mind. I get the same way about those misogynistic douchenozzles who talk about not “respecting” uppity women (like me) and who indulgently wax rhapsodic about how they can’t possibly be misogynists because they “respect” some women–the ones who deserve it, of course, not the nasty egalitarian (even–gasp!–feminist) women who disagree with them and refuse to kowtow to them. It’s hilarious. Why exactly do I care if they “respect” me or not? What exactly will their “respect” give me that I desperately crave or need or want? I don’t really give a shit if they “respect” me or not as long as they stay out of my way and don’t try to suppress my basic human rights and liberties, and you may rest assured I won’t be going out of my way to act like the good little girl they think women should act like in order to earn their godlike, benevolent “respect.” When alerted to the fact that nobody gives a shit about who or what they respect or don’t respect, you can just about hear their gearshifts jamming. But.. but.. but.. as owners of PENISES, their respect should be something I want.. right? Don’t I realize that as white men they are the final arbiters of all that is holy and good in society? They don’t even know what to do with themselves when they find out that the coin they offer isn’t worth anything to anybody sensible. But maybe that’s part of dealing with privilege blindness–to remind the sufferers of this affliction that their approval and “respect” are not actually required or needed by anybody. Those in a dominant and privileged majority act like their approval is somehow urgently required by all people in the world, and it just isn’t. You handled the denouement very gracefully and wittily–I hope your bigoted acquaintance learned a little that day.

  • Yeah, she definitely nailed that “turn the other cheek” thing Christians were commanded to do. What a wonderful Christian she is.

  • Katerina

    The white GOPers BELIEVE they are the “armed party.” Ugh, give me a break. I am a Democrat and proud of my sharpshooter status.

  • Katerina

    Funny thing is most of those GOPers who keep saying others need to read the constitution have not bothered to read it themselves.

  • Katerina

    They are not real Christians. They are fake nominal Christians, most who have never bothered to read the bible or the constitution. They make up their own religion, which is a mockery of what real Christianity is.

  • HyperKangaroo

    Whoops. I forgot that Madonna is a person……
    Also, I didn’t know fruity was used by crayola. I don’t remember seeing that in my 96-pack crayons when I was little. Also, that bit was very irrelevant. How did this piece get published?

  • HyperKangaroo

    Ah, I see. Madonna is an art term for representations of Virgin Mary. (aka, any portrait, sculpture, tapestry, etc. of Virgin Mary would be called madonnas). It literally means “My Lady” in Italian, and arose from a time when the virgin mary was referred to as “my lady”, much like how the spanish term for the virgin mary is often “(Our Lady) of Guadalupe”. I was confused because you would think that monasteries are perfect places for representations of the Virgin Mary….

    Here’s a wiki article on madonnas:

  • Starbugger

    Ha! Tucker Carlson WOULD be the poster boy for the oblivious-of-my-privilege movement. *Sigh* So cute but SO dense….

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