Illinois Family Institute Doesn’t *Totally* Hate Homosexuals

Keep up the good work on this front, Hemant.   There’s nothing better than having a consistently intelligent, articulate and compassionate voice always speaking up whenever the issue arises…….your students are very lucky 🙂

Let’s face it, there are endless examples that demonstrate that their “homosexuality is a sin just like any other, i’m a sinner too” line (said to try to suggest that they don’t ‘single out’ homosexuality or treat it any worse than anything else) is absolutely horse pucky.

“Do I think [christianity] is immoral? Yes. But that doesn’t mean I hate [christian] people in their totality,” said [Atheism]. 

Well, maybe you’ve never said that *exactly*, but you’ve stated this in so many words. 

They don’t totally hate gay people, they just want to eliminate safe spaces, leave them open to consequence-free bullying with no support system, deny them marriage rights, and force them back into the closet of shame filled, fearful invisibility.

Sure sounds like love to me. Amirite?

This is a stupid argument and I facepalm ervery time I see a christian try to make it.

Here’s a simple challenge you’ll fail miserably at: Find an example of Hemant or any other well-known atheist stating that they consider Christians to be immoral. Not that they consider them wrong, incorrect or dumb,  but them stating that their ‘Christian Lifestyle’ makes them immoral and evil and the only way to be a truly decent person is to give up that wicked lifgetsyle.

Being correct is different from being a good person. Someone who believes that 2+2=4 while kicking puppies is correct, but no one would argue they’re a better person than someone who believes 2+2=5 while helping the homeless. All the well-known atheists haver done is state that Christianity is silly and untrue, just klike how they say belief in ghosts and El Chupacabra is silly and untrue.

As far as I know their isn’t any well known atheist who has sunk to the level of most Christians where they label a minority to be immoral and evil. I’ve never seen an athiest arguing that they’d refuse to accept a christian child and would shame them about how they’re an evil person unless they stop being Christian while I’ve seen countless Christians amitting that’s how they’d treat an LBGT child.

As for the safe space signs I wished their’d been some in my highschool down here in Texas. Maybe than I would have had the courage to start transitioning at 17 instead of waiting until I was 21.

I don’t hate Christians either, but I feel a lot of their thinking is idiotic.

In my own experience, the “I’m a sinner too” part is rarely mentioned along with the proclamations of “homosexuality is a sin”.

Oh you haven’t heard that one?  I hear it ALL the time ~ and once again, they say it specifically in order to try to portray their disapproval of homosexuality as being not ‘hateful’……because hey, we’re all sinners ~ and if they’re acknowledging that, then they can’t be singling out homosexuality! 

and yet, their actions demonstrate that they most definitely DO single it out.  Which is precisely why the ‘im a sinner too’ thing is egregiously disingenuous.  It’s nothing more than dishonest lip-service they toss out to try to make themselves look better.

Right, which is why millions of atheists are in a frantic national campaign to make it illegal for two Christians to marry.

 I didn’t say I haven’t heard it, it’s relatively rare for me. It might be a regional thing.

Hemant, I’m afraid you blatantly misunderstood (hopefully didn’t misrepresent) what Laurie Higgins was saying. The meaning of her statement was “Love and moral opposition to someone’s behavior are compatible” or “Hating someone in their totality and moral opposition to someone’s behavior are not distinct.” Do you hate adulterers, loose women, and celebrity stalkers? No, but you and I morally oppose their bad behavior. She wasn’t giving percentages of hate, she was making a distinction. I’m leeery trying to point out the obvious to you–if it’s blatant misrepresentation, then you’ll insult me and call me hateful too (though we’ve never met); if it’s misunderstanding, then I hope you’ll see the point and politely move your arguments along.

 You are hopefully merely unfamiliar with the context, which is that Laurie Higgins is well known for her dishonest speech, libel, slander and promotion of dangerous behavior towards homosexuals, including minors, and for trying to roadblock the protection of those people from those that mean them harm. She has displayed NO love for those unlike her. That is a euphemism that religionists like her use to obfuscate their actions, which are nothing but hate.

Say you love someone all you want. When you take steps to harm them for no defensible reason, you HATE them.

Laurie Higgins is a disgusting bigot who hates LBGT people. Now let’s go through the things you compared to LBGT people:

A. Stalkers and cheaters. Invading someones privacy and cheating on your spouse *both of them agreeing to an open relationship is different and harms nobody* both do obvious harm and it’s prefectly reasonable to hate or ‘morally oppose’ them.

B. Gold diggers is actually somehwat close since their really is no basis for condemning it, though in a minute I’ll explain why it’s still a dumb comparison. A gold digger doesn’t harm anybody if both people are aware that the other is only interested in their body or their wallet. If you were to try to argue with Hugh Heffner that either him or his consensual relationships with many 20-something girlfriends were immoral he’d make you look like a fool.

However it’s still a dumb comparison. A gold digger doesn’t have to gold dig, Heff’s girlfriends could leave him and be just as happy with a poor man if they wanted. Theirs not an epidemic of young people being driven to depression and suicide because their family, community and church call them evil sinners for dating rich people. Nobody is arguing that gold diggers shouldn’t be allowed to marry and nobody is losing their job because they started dating someone rich.

LBGTs on the other hand are regularly driven to self-denial, depression and suicide because they’re surrounded by people like Laurie Higgins who berate them for being evil sinners and loudly voice their ‘moral opposition’ to our natural, healthy feelings. And of course theirs the obvious harm caused by people like Laurie Higgins when they oppose our right to marriage or even our right to hold a job. *I’m cursing myself for righting this long post because I have to run some errands and if I’m not back by five my co-worker who lives in an apartment across from mine might see me coming home in women’s clothing and I’ll be fired the next morning. Thanks to people like Laurie Higgins and their ‘moral opposition’*

Absolutely. Hate the belief, not the believer.

Actually, many Xians are so glib about the “I’m a sinner, too” approach that I guess homosexuality just isn’t that big a deal, either.  Or did I miss that Sunday school class about the various degrees of sin?  Is it like stabbing baby Jesus with a safety pin as opposed to using a chainsaw.  And here I though ALL sin was equally bad.  Is there a fried food and/or chocolate clause?

There’s some progress, at least.  She’s admitting to her hatred of LGBT people, even though she allegedly doesn’t “totally” hate us.  

It’s nice that so many atheists have stepped up to share how they love Christians … all the while thinking they’re stupid, delusional, idiotic.  How they don’t proselytize, while putting up their own “Christmas displays” beside nativities, saying that Christians are stupid, delusional, and idiotic. 

Spin it how you want, but I facepalm every time I see an Atheist try to make the argument that they aren’t just as bigotted as everyone else.

What do you think about the premise that the creator of the universe birthed himself into mankind to sacrifice himself to himself over the sins of the very first “people” he created?  Have you read the bible lately?  Don’t you think that parts of it’s contents have been used to justify hatred in the past and are being used to deny people rights presently?  This nonsense is intertwined with politics and a lot of the people who run the country believe in it and sometimes illegally endorse it.  This should be troubling to everyone.

It don’t hate Christians.  I’ve never had one do any harm to me.  Their belief and their influence…That’s a different story.