TychaBrahe

The “Heavenly Father” bit says this is about Mormons.
Justo Xjustice

how the divine pen of Michel Nostradamus crushed the international atheist movement

http://dissidentphilosophy.lifediscussion.net/t1310-the-boobquake-911

for lies on top of lies

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbmXpNEFipE

do you think you can threaten my right to FREE SPEECH?

what if I told you that I am not who you think I am….

Not Dennis Markuze – but a FAN!

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvatDdOWcLw&lc

you’re not the center of the universe!

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yRpSNIOwA4

a dishonest liar
Terri

Yeah, LDS. And the whole bit about us pre-existing is Mormon too. Are these guys that Lords of Buzzkill or what?
Kate

I feel this kid’s pain. I definitely experienced this as a child.
Trickster Goddess

“Because Sunday is special, we do special things”

Going to Funland is a special thing, ergo…
1000 Needles

“… and this is how atheists are created.”

Yer just an atheist cuz u want to disobey God!

(You know that’s how it will be quote-mined by some humorless fundamentalist.)
MegaZeusThor

So… who is the original author, and what was they point they were trying to make?

Was what we saw edited to change to point?

(Also, I’m glad I never once had to say my prayers before bed. I didn’t even know such a thing existed until I saw them depicted on TV as a teen. I’m lucky my Mom was anti-church when I was young.)
Verimius

I think this piece is satire. One tipoff is the mother’s inability in the market to explain why Sundays are special. Basically she’s inarticulate; she goes in circles saying Sundays are special because they’re special. Another odd part is where they say that heavenly father told Jesus to create the earth and day and night. This is not how the Bible says it happened.

Either that, or Poe’s law is in effect.
Cathy McGrath

Anyone else notice that the mother, other than the ‘Sundays are special, because the day is special’ circular logic, started saying ‘because that’s when we get ready for s…’ and changed her mind? Did she get lost and start getting her circles started too early? ‘Sundays are special, because that’s when we get ready for Sunday!’
amycas

Is this a spoof video? It seems too terrible and transparent to be a video made by Christians for Christians, especially since the kid still didn’t understand it at the end.
Patrick Orlob

“..heavenly father told Jesus to create the earth and day and night. This is not how the Bible says it happened.”

No, but it is what the LDS church teaches. Which this is definitely from. (See also the “we lived with heavenly father in the preexistence” bit)

Since this is an Everything Is Terrible video, you can be guaranteed that it has been edited for maximum effect, but I think the original video is legit. Well, I SAY legit…
Margaret Whitestone

“Basically she’s inarticulate; she goes in circles saying Sundays are special because they’re special”

Just like the Bible is true because the Bible says the Bible is true? It’s not satire, it’s typical Christian “reasoning”.
Isilzha

Not necessarily…I’ve heard that plenty in Southern Baptist churches growing up. It’s often used to begin a prayer.
Isilzha

I was made to pray the “if I die before I wake, I pray the Lord my soul to take” crap. Then, when I got old enough to really understand what said prayer meant, I was punished for not being able to sleep because I was afraid that if I did sleep I may die. fun times.
Agnostic

Agnostic recalls that the commandment was to remember the Sabbath and keep it holy…Having fun is not unholy is it? I guess having fun killing people is.
Kodie

When she said we do things on Sunday that we don’t do other days and we do things on other days that we don’t do on Sundays, I was thinking she and the mister were on a once-a-week schedule and she almost said it in front of the kid (in which case it’s a perfect day for him to get out and go to Funland). But the video was weird and edited weird so I don’t know what that abandoned “S” was about.
Luther

I checked, the Creation Museum is open on Sunday! And as they say on the web:

Children PLAY and dinosaurs roam near Eden’s Rivers.
Nathan

Atheism comes from selfishness. Everyone has a conscience, and no one wants to walk around with guilt pushing them down so rigorously that they cannot function. So in order to keep on living selfishly, they reinvent righteousness. If you believe in God, this is impossible. Many will say being an atheist is easier then being a Christian, I personally believe it must be extraordinarily difficult to get rid of that guilt without God. Being a Christian is tough but Christ provides an escape route from your guilt. He also feels that void of emptiness that everyone tries to fill with unholy things. You can keep trying to fill it up but the guilt will only continue to pull you down.
observer

Anyone ever noticed how any religion deems something to be sacred, or in this cartoon’s case, “special”, has strict limits?
Kodie

What you are doing is playing a trick in your own mind. God doesn’t exist whether you believe in it or not. So whatever guilt you have that’s eased by Jesus Christ is some sort of, you know, like a spit valve on a horn. Atheism comes from realizing there’s no god, and you can sort your own feelings because that’s how the brain works. I don’t know what guilt you’re talking about though. You are making assumptions about atheism based on what you’re told, and if you have a build-up of guilt it’s because you believe in god and there’s a long list of ordinary things you know you’re not supposed to do just because god said not to, so you’re always feeling guilty. Even when you don’t do them, you feel guilty. Your religious beliefs are imposing unhealthy emotions on you by offering to release them magically. If you’ve really done something wrong, go apologize to the person you’ve wronged. Otherwise, your imaginary relief from Jesus of your guilt is not doing anyone any good, but it makes you feel better. You bought into a system that imposes guilt and relieves the same guilt making you dependent on it to get rid of uncomfortable feelings that it makes you have.

I don’t know what this selfishness is that you bring up either. I don’t believe in god because I have noticed that it is a human invention to explain things that may have no other explanation, and many things that do have rational explanations. Religion comes from fear that bad things will happen if you question or stop believing; that your guilt will have no release. Atheists don’t believe in god, it doesn’t mean they fill their “empty spaces” with unholy things, because there are no unholy things. There are unhealthy things, and some things have consequences in life, and some things only have consequences if you believe in hell. It’s not selfish at all and most of the atheists I know are not as selfish as most of the Christians I know. Being personally “special” to god or Jesus is selfish to start with, and most of the assertions derived from that notion are selfish, and most of the behaviors derived from those assertions are selfish.
TCC

Got any more anti-atheist clichés you can throw out? We’ve probably heard them all by now.
Thackerie

“… Christ provides an escape route from your guilt.”

Pretty much says it all. Give it to “God” and forget about getting off your ass and actually doing anything.

Where’s the morality in passing your feelings of guilt on to some supernatural whatsit? That’s just shirking your own responsibility.

Ethical atheists don’t have this problem. When we do something wrong, we try to make amends — and to make them directly with the people wronged whenever possible. That’s just simply being a responsible adult. You should try it some time.
Nathan

Everyone experiences guilt. Even without God you still no when you are doing something wrong.

Romans 2:15 They show that the work of the law is written on their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness, and their conflicting thoughts accuse or even excuse them.

You see it’s not only written in a book. When you lie you feel guilt, unless you have just done it so long it doesn’t even bother you anymore.
Everyone has guilt, if you don’t you obviously don’t need Jesus, as you must be perfect.
Gus Snarp

Yeah, it seems like some weird kind of Poe, and then you get the kid not actually getting the lesson in the end? Is that an intentional screw up, or just an early cut and there’s a later scene where it all comes together? If it’s real, then it’s got to be the worst thing ever made to convince kids to keep the Sabbath in this way. It definitely makes a better case for lightening up.
Gus Snarp

Yeah, I noticed. What was that “S” supposed to be? Sunday? The repetition in that scene was creepy too. Surely this is actually a satire of Christian educational videos.
Gus Snarp

Oh, that’s Mormon wording? That explains some of it. I thought it was just somebody’s really weird, lame way of trying to teach this to a toddler that they were still using on older kids.
Nathan

This is where you misunderstand. When I wrong someone I feel guilt, and I will do whatever is in my power to make things right with that person. Telling someone you are sorry for hurting them is always the right thing to do and God teaches that as well.

James 5:16 Therefor confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person has great power as it is working.
Gus Snarp

“Heavenly Father” on its own is pretty common across Christian sects, but the way they fit it in grammatically in this video is pretty weird, and I think that’s the Mormon give away. “We lived with Heavenly Father” is not something you’re going to hear in a Baptist church. Baptists, and other Christians, would say “Our Heavenly Father”.
Kodie

I try not to do anything wrong, actually. And if I make a mistake, I take care of it by apologizing to someone I’ve wronged, or I make improvements in myself so that I don’t get into trouble that often.

How does asking Jesus’ forgiveness help the other person feel better if I’m the one who wronged them? That is just like relieving yourself of guilt by no longer feeling guilty, re: “unless you have just done it so long it doesn’t even bother you anymore”. It doesn’t bother you to be a jerk to people as long as you can just tell Jesus and feel better. You’re accusing me and other atheists of having no conscience? You’re the one with the easy excuse to stop those bad feelings gnawing at you. I actually care about other people and I don’t want them to be mad at me. That takes a lot more work than just asking Jesus to relieve my guilt for me so I don’t have to go tell someone I’m sorry.

You have it all backwards, man.
Gus Snarp

Wow, you really don’t get it, do you.
Glasofruix

Haven’t seen you and your nonsense in a while…

“Atheism comes from selfishness.”

Not believing in magic skyfairy is selfish? Please explain.

“I personally believe it must be extraordinarily difficult to get rid of that guilt without God.”

And what guilt would that be? Because i don’t feel guilty for not believing in made up shit.
Nathan

You don’t understand Christianity very well if you don’t think I don’t care about anyone. You don’t think I apologize when I wrong someone? Let me assure you I do.
Nathan

No I don’t, please explain.
Gus Snarp

To what end? Are you actually interested in understanding how an atheist thinks, or what it really means to be an atheist, or do you just want to be goaded into more generalizations about how atheists are selfish, guilt ridden, and evil?
Sue Blue

I can identify with this. I was raised as a Seventh-Day Adventist, and their key doctrine is that the seventh day is Saturday, and is the biblical Sabbath. Like observant Jews, they believe that the Sabbath extends from sundown on Friday to sundown on Saturday, and nothing can be done during this time except worship of some sort – Bible reading/study, church activities, and “witnessing” for Christ. No cooking, cleaning, shopping; no going out to eat, going to movies, visiting with friends or neighbors or family except for witnessing or worship – no secular activities at all.
For a teenager, this was the equivalent of hell. Having to get up extra-early, dress up, and go to a four-hour-long church worship session sucked. Not to be allowed to associate with your non-Adventist friends and having Friday night off-limits for dates sucked big-time. Not being allowed to read entertaining books, watch TV, go to movies, talk on the phone, eat out, shop, or do anything “fun” at all sucked like the mother of all black holes. Already a doubter of religion and a thorn in the side of our pastor, these socially embarrassing and arduous Sabbath restrictions just propelled me further down the road to atheism. Other than the break from household chores, there was absolutely nothing redeeming about being forced to “rest” on the same day that God supposedly took a break after the creation of the world. It was – and is – just a stupid waste of time.
Sue Blue

Oh, and before the christian trolls start screaming, “See! See! Atheism is nothing but rebellion and selfishness!”, I became an atheist not because of the restrictions religion put on my life but because of the mounting evidence that it was nothing but a crock of lies and stupid bullshit. I have far better and more productive ways to spend my Saturdays and Sundays than listening to fairy tales, kneeling and talking to myself.
allein

Why do you think God is necessary for that? I feel guilty when I do something that hurts someone. I don’t feel guilty simply for being a normal human being.
Mary P.

ME TOO!!!! Heavy sh!t to be a four year old and wondering if I was going to die in my sleep! No wonder I had night terrors.

Also, after reciting that prayer I had to ask god to bless certain people and my mom would make me include people I didn’t want to have blessed. I would pretend that I forgot.

I can laugh about that now.
Onamission5

Only with your god, or do all the thousands of other gods and goddesses also relieve guilt?

I find it very telling that you refer to your deity as a means with which you avoid taking responsibility for your negative emotions. Me, I try not to do things I might feel guilty about, but if I find myself in that situation, I hold myself accountable and try to remedy. I am not powerless in the face of my negative emotions. Being accountable is hard but it helps one not make the same mistakes over and over again.
Piet Puk

Eh not my experience.
You sound deeply troubled, I advise you go see a therapist. Seriously!
flynn

She shifts her eyes around and is afraid to say “Sabbath” in public. Because of all the heathens in the broccoli section waiting to pounce and forbid her to speak, you know. There’s probably an accompanying parents’ guide that guilts mom for not talking about church more.
Nathan

I never said atheists were evil, but selfish and guilt ridden, of course you are. We all are! I still have guilt after I apologize to someone and ask for Gods forgiveness, don’t get me wrong. Gods forgiveness gives me piece of mind because I know what my reward is for being obedient. Maybe I should have explained it differently. The guilt is still there, but it doesn’t tear me apart like it might if I didn’t know I was forgiven. I know atheist think it’s a crock, and I guess I can understand why you might think so as well, but I know God is real. I feel his presence everyday. You can call me stupid, call me brainwashed, whatever term you’d like, but until you have had your heart convicted like I have you probably will never understand. I pray that one day you will.
Deven Kale

My parents are LDS and I remember nearly identical conversations with my Mother when I was a kid. It’s sadly not satirical at all, it’s the type of things members of the LDS church are taught to say.
Nathan

There are many translations of the bible, and many misinterpreted parts of the bible. The only thing as a Christian that you need to truly believe is, Jesus Christ died for you. All sins through him will be forgiven. It is impossible for humans to not sin, therefore God gave us Christ. No matter what story in the bible that you think God is unrighteous or evil, there is a righteous reason for him doing those things. Believe it, or don’t, God also gave you free will.
Kodie

That’s called “dwelling on shit”. After I have made a mistake, I might need to go apologize to someone and if that’s impossible, how should I feel? How bad is what I have done? Can I just plan to be kinder in the future? It depends on what you’ve done, but most people aren’t harboring resentment forever, they move on. Even after you apologize, it’s not meant to make yourself feel better, it’s to make the other person know you felt bad and try to make it up but there are occasions when you can’t change what happened, and maybe situations where the person will not forgive you.

Basically what you’re doing is forgiving yourself for being human. I do that. There’s a point where feeling like you never do anything right is debilitating and it sure is healthy to say, well, we’ll do better next time. Even thinking about it too long really imprints that feeling in you that you don’t want to repeat it, rather than just blow it off like it’s nothing. If you make yourself sick to your stomach, even an atheist can say to him/herself, hey, we can try next time not to fuck it up so bad. And then we feel ok. You are doing the same thing, only you pretend that god forgives you or Jesus. Even if someone accepts your apology, you still feel bad for a while because you’re not sure they accept or just said they did; and maybe they didn’t give you as hard a time as you expected, and you feel like they let you off the hook because they’re being totally cool.

You seem to be under the impression that atheists are jerks and don’t feel guilty or do feel guilty but don’t have any way of forgiving themselves since there’s no deity to forgive them. But that’s… I don’t know why you think that.
Edmond

Atheism comes from being unconvinced, not from selfishness. The stories in your favorite scripture have not “sold” me on their veracity. This has nothing to do with what behaviors I want to get away with. There are MANY stories around the world that I am suspicious of, and I withhold belief in ALL of them, until some evidence comes in that supports one over others.
　
When it comes to doing “wrong” and feeling “guilt”, atheists do right by following our Federal, state, and civil laws. If we break these laws, we ease our guilt by submitting to the punishments ascribed to these laws. No gods are necessary for any of this. The existing court system handles all this just fine. It’s not as if atheists are walking around with unaddressed guilt issues. We just don’t turn to the supernatural to handle them. We also have an “escape route” for our guilt, it’s just provided by the state.
　
It’s incredibly easy to assuage guilt without a god. If we do wrong, we pay the fine, or we do the time. We make amends. And then, our consciences are cleared. What else would be needed? If you do wrong, make it right! Why would this need to be a supernatural process?

If atheists simply want to be selfish and rebellious, then we would not stop at disobeying gods. We would also disobey all civil laws as well, so that we could maximize our rebelliousness. But we don’t do that. You don’t see atheists running around the country in a state of anarchy. We respect a well-organized and peaceful society, so we follow the laws that govern them. But there isn’t anything “selfish” about ignoring religious rules that have nothing to do with government.
Margaret Whitestone

Without religion telling me everything I think, say and do is “sinful” I don’t have all of that needless guilt. When I do experience guilt because I’ve done something that’s actually wrong (which is infrequent) I take actions to correct the situation and move on. Maybe you should stop trying to project all of your god-guilt on to everyone and get some therapy.
Patterrssonn

Thanks Nathan for not making any sense.
Azel

You know, before trying to use Jesus or the god of Abraham as an argument, you’ll have one thing to do: showing evidence they exist and are all they’re cracked up to be. After, we have a debate on the concept of sin, God’s morality and his responsibilities in our acts (he’s omniscient, omnipotent and our creator: his responsibilities in our acts are likely quite high…if he exists, of course), but before that, you’ll have to show the critters exist
matt

Why is it a big deal that Jesus died for me? He was God and knew exactly where he was going to end up. Jesus and God are one in the same right? God=Jesus, Jesus=God, correct?

Do you actually believe that god, the creator of all reality and doer of all possible things, choose to take the extremely inefficient and downright confusing path of birthing himself into mankind only to sacrifice himself to HIMSELF, just to absolve us of “sins” he could’ve just maybe forgiven in the first place?

If there is other intelligent life in the universe, I sure hope he took a different approach in revealing himself to them. Nothing but confusion down here.
Nathan

Even if I could prove Gods exsistance to everyone, there will still be doubters, people in denial. Jesus was a real person, whether you choose to believe it or not, and people saw his miracles with their own eyes. And yet, there were still people who didn’t believe he was Gods son. My proof is in my life. I pray for different things that are heavy on my heart, and I trust in him and he delivers my answer. It’s happened to me countless times over the span of my short Christian life. The “proof” is all around you, open your eyes, and your heart, and he will reveal himself to you. It takes more than a few minutes or days, sometimes years but you have to trust in him, he has a plan for everyone. You choose to listen.
Nathan

Here is a link to help you with this question.
http://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-know.html

I have had the same question myself in the past actually. This should either help you understand, or deny even more.
matt

Ok, that link just attempts to explain how Jesus knew he was god. I don’t really care if he knew it or not. The fact is, according to the story he IS, right?

I’m suggesting that the guy/gal (if he/she exists) who created the universe and all of the fundamental laws, forces and constants that govern its operation so beatifully, would choose such a such a suspicious method of informing his creation of his existence.

That thought combined with all the other religions – some of which are much more appealing and less confusing than Christianity – brings me to believe that this god you speak of is either a deceiver or he/she/it doesn’t exist. I choose the latter.
matt

I would be more apt to believe he was god’s son if god would have just forgone the whole 9 months of pregnancy thing and just zapped him into existence in front of a large audience.

Besides being much more efficient, it would have been 100 times more convincing.
Nathan

Yeah and many would be more believing if he would have skipped this world and brought us all straight to himself. Except it would defeat his purpose of creating earth and giving us free will. He gave us the free will because he wants us to make that decision on our own. He did say Jesus will return, so maybe in your life time, you may get that opprotunity.
Nathan

I guess I’m not understanding what you are questioning then? Are you suggesting that Jesus knew he was God, so him dying on the cross was a walk in the park? Did he not still have pain? Did he not still have suffering? Put yourself in his position, even if you were a God in heaven, on earth you are flesh. That pain was real even for him. We couldn’t possibly even fathom the amount of physical pain, but I’m sure the real pain was that his children would do such a cruel and hateful thing to him. I’m no expert on this, but it seems pretty clear to me, he was a very curagious man and an even more curagious God to put himself in the position. All the time knowing what would happen to himself, but maybe a small amount of hope that he could be wrong? I don’t know, deep thoughts.
matt

Him/her choosing a very un-godly and suspicious method of announcing his/her existence has nothing to do with free will.

And according to the bible, he claimed he would be back after one generation. He’s running a bit late late I guess.
Nathan

Mathew 24:36 No one knows about the day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

What bible are you reading? What book, what chapter and verse did you get your information from, I’d like to read it.
Nathan

Anyone who claims to know when Jesus will return is a false prophet. There are only signs to know when it may be happening in the bible, and to my knowledge nowhere does it say it will be within 1 generation.
TCC

To be fair, the Bible does actually state in the NT that Jesus was involved in creation (cf. Colossians 1). This is of course a retroactive reading onto the Genesis creation account(s), but it is in fact a Christian idea, not merely a Mormon one.
TCC

“I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.”

Sound familiar? It should, since it is in the same passage as your earlier reference.
Nathan

This generation is describing the generation of the second coming of Christ, not the generation they were in at the current time. It is a common misinterpretation.
matt

The fact that god needed to sacrifice himself to HIMSELF to forgive us for the sins of someone else is quite ungodly. I reject Christianity on that concept alone.

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