If Chick-fil-A Wants to Act Biblically, Then At Least Go All the Way

http://i.imgur.com/VSW8L.png Somewhat relevant. 

@ 2:49 –

“To toss the word Biblical out there as a PR decision and a feel good way of saying you’re homophobic without risking your business, not only cheapens your Bible, but in my opinion, disrespects your God.”

Bang.

Thanks Hemant that was delicious!!!

The youtube comments are amusing.  People butthurt over cherry picking the bible, and trying to deny Dan Cathy his 1st amendment rights.  So much meta irony.

also, this video is by far THE BEST response to Chick-Fil-A i’ve seen yet! she’s awesome!

Honestly, I’m disgusted that anyone ever ate at Chick-Fil-A. I have found no evidence that their chickens are free range. Which means that the hundreds of thousands of chickens they use in their food are more than likely kept in tiny s**t-filled “spaces” where they go crazy and peck their own feet off just for some mental stimulation, are pumped full of hormones and over-inflated with poor quality food that makes them get fat extra quick, and are killed at a few months old. To me the fact that the founders and customers would inflict that on animals just for a freaking sandwich is a much bigger issue than whether or not the founders of the company support the rights of two homosexuals to make vows to each other in a legally binding ceremony. One day our descendents will look back at us as barbarians because of the horrifying way we treat our fellow creatures. Shame so few Christians or atheists care as much about the whole lives of hundreds of thousands of sentient beings as they do about this one non-essential aspect of gay people’s lives. Don’t get me wrong; I feel for gay people who can’t marry. It’s just I feel more for living beings that are physically suffering abuse, and I can’t understand the anger over the former and the utter dismissal of the latter.

“thousands of sentient beings”

Chickens? Sentient? Riiiiiiiiiiiight.

On the side note, mistreating food does not make healthy meals, so i’m against animal abuse, especially if that animal is going to en up in my plate.

 Just to get your facts straight this is what free range means:

http://www.cracked.com/article_19433_the-6-most-horrifying-lies-food-industry-feeding-you_p2.html

All the rest of the hippie-zoophile blabble it’s ot even worth saying a thing about it. It’s the same BS PETA says all the time.

how the divine pen of Michel Nostradamus crushed the international atheist movement

Looks like Dave Mabus/Dennis Markuze is out of the psych ward. Great – ’cause it isn’t as though there are already enough lunatics online.

 Look – the factory farming industry does treat these animals like crap. Being upset about it doesn’t make her a PETA guerilla – and she’s right; we ought to care about it.

 Did the Divine N got his start publishing cookbooks?

I guess I’m fortunate that the hateful companies are usually easy for me to boycott. I think I’ve eaten Chik-Fil-A maybe five times in my forty years, and I hated it every time. The fries are OK, but the sandwiches are awful. Dried out, over-cooked chicken on a flat, pathetic excuse for a bun with a piece of soggy lettuce. I just don’t get why someone could like them so much for their food in the first place. So yeah, I’ll boycott Chik-Fil-A, but they’re not going to notice. The only good thing about Chik-Fil-A: I did stop at one on a recent road trip, I had my reservations, but I had a family to feed and options were limited. What I liked: the kids meals came with books instead of toys. And they were not Christian books. This is an idea some other fast food chains should pick up on, since I won’t be going back to that one.

It was the most “annoying video “I’ve watched in” sometime” a) She talks a mile-a-minute. b) Is the “gratuitous” use of “air quotes” really necessary? “Geesh!”

I totally agree with this aspect of the conversation! No where are his free speech rights being violated. If he says something that some people do not agree with, then they have the equal right to stop going there to eat and to voice their opinion right back. 

Now, here’s an interesting topic of conversation. 

Without me spending the next 10 minutes trying to find the link to an old story, does anyone remember the one about the theater who would not display the atheist ads before the movies were played?

The reason that I bring this up is that in Chicago, alderman Joe Moreno wants to ban Chick-fil-A from opening more stores in his area. I’m not familiar with the role/authority of an alderman so someone might be able to help me out here. I would think THAT act would be illegal. It would be a clear case of discrimination based on what Mr. Cathy has said. It’s basically a witch hunt because they don’t have the exact same set of standards

First, does anyone here think this guy has the right legally to make such a ban happen? Second, if you think he does, then how is this situation different than the movie theater denying a group’s ads. 

I admit that I wasn’t fond of how the theater acted and to be honest I don’t know if they legally can do that. I haven’t heard any follow up on that story though. 

If the alderman can present another reason to deny them then so be it. Problem is he’s pretty much stated that their stance on gay marriage is the deal breaker. I actually would like for him to have the ability to say yes or no to them coming in, just as I would like the ability for the theater to decide who they can sell their add space to. 

A second interesting topic is Mr.Moreno’s quote of ” They should be in the business of selling chicken, not promoting a political philosophy.”
The problem with this statement is that every major and even some smaller companies set up foundations and through those they do support and promote different philosophies. EVERY major company does it. It’s their way of giving back to what they think is important. Just like Kraft has the right to support LGBTQ groups through their foundations, so does Chick-fil-A have the right to support who they want to. 

It’s a two way street. I don’t think that supporters from either side however do a great job of recognizing this or responding to it. If people would sit down and do a bit of research, they might find it very interesting to note who their favorite companies’ foundations support. Often this practice makes you feel proud for the company and makes you want to support them even more. At other times it brings up questions and shouts of protest. Let your wallets speak more than your mouths. A wise man told me that the best way to really know what someone is about is to look at their finances to see what they do with them.

Agreed. The cuts aren’t excessive or annoying to me. The visuals are great. No big special effects. Just the facts with a dose of humor thrown in. Add some personality. If only more videos were like this one.

I think you’re off topic, as interesting as your opinion might be, there’s already an article where you can expose your point.

Definitely like how she, to paraphrase, put it that using religion to justify bigotry is a blatant attempt at a get-out-of-jail-free card for being an asshole. Intuitively I’ve always understood that about defenders of anti-gay bigotry, I just never heard anyone wrap it up with a bow like that.

I saw a lot from Mabus that were just links to his Depeche Mode video.  The name ‘FTBullies’ is refers to the #tag used on both sides in the sexual harassment policy argument that split up FtB a little while back.  Sexual harassment at TAM in particular was in the spotlight.

I don’t think either side of that debate did this.  I think someone (Mabus or otherwise) looking for all the triggers they can.

 Most of the time i see you here you either rant how your personal jebus is great or how something is sinful and that we should stop doing it. That aside, your comment about the video was irrelevant because you were not commenting about the message but about the way that the person spoke, which is why your opinion does not matter.

Maybe I should re-take my avatar shot and make sure one can see more than just the top of my ‘A’ pin.

“Atheist authors try to push their points as well do they not?”

They do, and often they use verifiable evidence to prove it, which is not the case in “how to better lick your deity’s ass” by Chris McCristy Jeebuson.

“I can see that you’re not even going to try to read a NON-FICTION title by these authors. ”

Why should i? Their writings are outside my circle of interest (which is, fiction, science and the both combined) and are frankly without substance (or any sort of solid evidence). If i wanted to read 500 pages about the nonexistent i’d better buy a pack of paper for my printer. Would you read a book about how the pink unicorn that lives behind everyone’s ear wants people to drink hedgehog urine every sixth day of the month? That’s how ridiculous religious claimings are.

“Again, this makes my point on being so close minded.”

Again, what’s so open minded in reading stuff made solely for the purpose of wanking one’s already established set of beliefs? I can’t see ANYTHYNG that would “open my mind” to religion in those books, at best it would disgust me even more.

Seriously MJ, why don’t you stop your kindergarden-level diatribe , stop writing your asinine comments and go out into the world and preach your nonsense on some urban street corner where you can actually test some of those beliefs you claim to have. You know, faith in god and all that crap. I suggest the corner of Vermont and Jefferson in Los Angeles, but that’s me. You choose.

The problem here is that many people on these boards have wasted a large chunk of their lives with religious drivel, and DO know it inside out.  They often know more about the Bible than the Pope, and HAVE read the books you cite.  They have also thought it through and decided not to drink the Kool-Aid.  These are the people you proselytize to?  Good luck, but put on a crash helmet.

She looks a lot like Clarissa…and she did a great job of explaining it all. 

I see where you’re coming from, but keep in mind that, according to the Christian tradition, the old testament is a collection of Jewish beliefs and rules. Christians believe that now the only way for salvation is to love God, and not the rules and statutes the Jewish people had to follow in order to be close to him.

I can understand it being outside of your interest in reading. Thank you for explaining that. 

As far as verifiable evidence goes, science can’t exactly verify everything can it if the authors weren’t there to see it? Some things can be explained yes. But try verifying where life came from and how the universe started? Try verifying one of an infinite amount of possible universes that we just so happen to live in.

Archeology and history can actually do I nice job of supporting that some of what the Bible says happened actually took place. Isn’t archeology a type of science to some degree?  

Again, I understand it being out of what you are interested in. But why say something as dehumanizing as what I say is irrelevant?

We know more today that we knew yesterday, given time science CAN explain everything, it will, however not happen during our lifetimes. I’m not going to debate with you what makes or not evidence, your arguments are the standard weak stuff creationnists use.

I went over to Chick-fil-a ‘s facebook page just to check it out. There were a LOT of people saying “I support gay rights, but your chicken is good so I’m just gonna keep eating there.” I could not believe it! Don’t they realize when you give chick-fil-a your money that money (at least part of it) is then being donated to ANTI-gay causes?? I said before, the people at chick-fil-a can feel however they want and say whatever they want. I believe in freedom of speech. And if Mr. Cathy was donating his personal money that would be one thing, but money from the corporation is coming from the consumers and I refuse to let 1 cent of my money go towards anti-gay causes. Wise up people! 

She is calling for a boycot of Chick-fil-A because of their stand on marraige being between a man and woman, and thusly creating a “hate” atmosphere against gays.   She is basically saying she is doing this because she feels they are singling out a particular group, (gays), and this isn’t right, because Chick-fil-A is “anti gay”.   Ok, I can understand that.   But she is picking and choosing who she will boycot.  If she is so against singling out a business for being anit whatever, then why isn’t she calling for a boycot against business like Home Depot?   They have a pro gay stance, support the gay agenda, but even go as far to fire individuals or discrimiate against some who are voicing their Christian beliefs?  They encourage employees to wear pins on their vest supports a pro gay gathering or event but disipline others who wear a cross or Christian symbol.   So if she is really fighting for “injustice” against a selected group of people, where is she on issues like that?   She is violating her own standards by not boycoting Home Depot or other business doing the same thing.   She is nothing but hot air.

Hmm….my two Master’s degreess, both with a 4.0 GPA would disagree with you. Maybe it’s your opinion that doesn’t matter. 

I know there are many more smarter people on here than me, but I’ve never met a bright or wise person who didn’t know how to listen and learn in any situation and from any person.

 FYI – Saturday is Sabbath for Orthodox (Old Testament) Jews.  Sunday is the ‘Sabbath” or worship day for the majority of Christians.

About the same thing that you would learn from someone’s response of “also, this video is by far THE BEST response to Chick-Fil-A i’ve seen yet! she’s awesome!” I’m not knocking Cat’s response. But I am saying that my post was in line with several other posters who expressing their liking of the video without a deep explanation of it. I did the same and you said that my opinion doesn’t matter. You didn’t post that on Cat’s response.   Is it simply because I didn’t agree with you?

Because her/his response still was about the content not the container? Playing with words is not your forte, you shoud’ve realised that by now.

I think you might want to get a couple of cushions, a friend, and some smelling salts. I’ve read Wright, as well as Tillich, Kierkegaard, Plantinga, Lewis, Chesterton, et cetera ad nauseam. So that’s one. And I’ll bet you all the change in my pockets that there’s at least one other regular here who has. 

Now I agree that your reception here has been slightly less than pleasant (and somewhat unreasonably so), but you have to keep in mind that you’re the one willingly entering “enemy territory” so to speak, not the other way around. You’re talking to an audience in a community that is generally hostile to your point of view. In return, your assumption that because people fiercely disagree with your statements they must be ignorant of the intellectual foundation of the arguments is approximately as disrespectful.

What verse is it in the bible where there was a fundamental change in the Sabbath?  When did Sunday actually BECOME the day of worship for the majority of Christians?

Are you suggesting that if we prefer to set aside Tuesday as the Sabbath because it ‘might’ be the seventh day, then that should be six of one, half a dozen of the other?

Ah, I see where you’re coming from. However, there is good historical support for Saturday actually being the seventh day of the week. As for having a day of rest (whether you’re a believer or an atheist), there is good medical research that shows just how important it is to live on that schedule (six days of work to one day of rest). And to build on that, there is good research that shows that the human body as well as other forms of life on this planet seem to work (like clockwork) on a ‘cycle of seven’.

But when you get in to Christmas and things like that, we’re talking about pagan roots there. You’ve probably heard something along those lines before, but it’s true. Even Sunday worship for Christians is rooted in paganism. Many Christians don’t really know or care to know anything about it and then when presented with the history of how the Sabbath was changed from Saturday to Sunday (not by Jesus, but by a pope) the conversation has a way of dropping off.

It’s pretty wild all of the stuff (regarding sabbath vs Sunday worship) that Christians don’t take the time to know about. Even when I was in high school this topic peaked my interest when my spanish teacher was going through the names of the days of the week and when we got to Saturday it was ‘Sabbado’ and he referenced the biblical sabbath. Then I got to thinking, “So why does everyone worship on Sunday?” Needless to say, it didn’t make much sense.

Click on the link in my username and it will take you to sabbathtruth.com — there is a pretty good bit of information regarding the sabbath and how it has been twisted and how the church has perverted it as well as many other biblical doctrines.

I once saw a picture of a hooded figure that was carrying a cart full of things like: Christmas presents, Easter eggs, halloween stuff, a catholic cup thingy, etc. and it said something to the effect of “Hey, the pagans called … they want their stuff back.”