Kirk Cameron: Gay Marriages Cannot Provide Health or Happiness

He’s starting to remind me of Mel Gibson… take a bath Xtian dude!

In his case, I don’t think so.  I think he’s just suffering from “I can’t possibly imagine anything other than my own narrow point of view, so I know you’re not really happy.  Yes, I know you better than you.”

That lack of ability to accept someone else at their word as to their own personal beliefs and feelings just drives me nuts.  I know I/we do it, but I at least try hard not to, and pay attention when someone tells me I’m doing it.

UUUUUUUUGGGGGHHHHHHHH *slumps dramatically*
 
I have less of a problem with the dreamy eyed fairytale that Cameron thinks we should all be living and more of a problem with the language the dude introducing and closing the bit is using.
 
Oh boo hoo! Kirk Cameron’s being “persecuted?” HARDLY. No one is censoring his crazy b.s., he’s not being denied basic civil rights, he can live his life in peace. It’s drives me crazy to hear these guys build up honest criticism as “persecution.” It’s like they’ll latch on to anything that will make them feel like they’re fighting this great spiritual battle that pastors everywhere encourage them to fight. To me it looks very similar to Blinken hacking the shit out of a wooden column with his sword. (Shut up….Robin Hood Men inTights is relevant ANYWHERE) It’s tiring work, but they’re missing the real battles entirely.

They will never admit to it, but I will take a wild stab in the dark and say that the number of Christians who openly support this shite and face property damage and bodily harm is hardly a blip on the radar compared to the number of gays and lesbians who face ACTUAL harm and damage. I’m bisexual, but I absolutely dial back the PDA with my girlfriend when we’re outside of our safe areas where we live. We hear of way too many horror stories. I hear nothing about Christians being physically assaulted in this country for wearing a cross.

Grrrr….

So, why isn’t Kirk marries to two sisters and their servants? 

Thanks for articulating my biggest pet peeve. “I know you better than you” drives me cra-a-a-a-azy!

Anyone else burst out laughing when he refers to the Bible as God’s instruction manual? Then why wasn’t it written initially in every major language, like many instruction manuals seem to be today? I mean, this is God, so he could even write in Swahili, which technically doesn’t have a written language.

How could anyone who lives in this country where marriage and promiscuity are becoming totally irrelevant. Of course we all want what he talks about but it has nothing to do with gay marriages. We should stand up for marriage for everyone.

Suddenly comments need to be approved on the video and cannot be rated. It’s almost like they only want to show the voices of agreement.

Christians love to feel persecuted. It’s what Jesus told them to expect. So the more they are criticized, the more persecuted they feel and the more determined they become that their religion is the One True Faith[TM].

As I’ve commented elsewhere: I dunno about you,
but the obsession these people have on family and marriages, especially
other people’s, is really getting to the status of “stalker-boyfriend”.
 

 
You keep using these words, Kirk: love, marriage, family, know,
God. I do not think they mean what you think they mean.

Incidentally, that part about God creating marriage, it always grinds my gears when people say that. It’s like God created us to be conflictingly intelligent; we’re smart enough to figure out math and science. Yet we’re too stupid to grasp the concept of unity between two people, we need an ultra-powerful entity to figure it out for us.

It’s a shitty manual then, i mean even the mounting manuals from Ikea make more sense than that piece of garbage.

Modern religious progress and sexuality: http://progressplanet.com/eliza-wood/religion-and-gay-marriage/

He was very famous in the 1980s. I grew up on Growing Pains and his sister’s show, Full House. Sad to see that they’ve both embraced extreme fundamentalism.

Bigotry will always exist in the world, you can never get rid of it. All you can do is discourage it, and give as little power as humanly possible.

How typically Christian.  I clicked on the link and got a donations page asking for money . . .

Oh man, you are so right. I remember feeling this way when I was at the height of my sky daddy obession.

Heard of both, never saw either. But however famous he was 20 or 30 years ago, it appears he’s basically an unknown these days. His list of recent credits isn’t exactly impressive.

I find it hard to believe he’s changing anybody’s mind about same-sex marriage (unless it’s increasing support by being such an obvious dick).

Surprise surprise.  Disabled voting and approval for comments.  Fuck that guy.

These people are fascinating.  What makes them tick? Where did their delusions come from?

Looking a little disheveled today Kirk.

 All the likes!

Who said he was?

that was a great movie ……………
which i would like watch once again , and once again
awesome work guys …………..   

“Love is just a trick the mind plays on us to get us to reproduce.”

That being said and to play devil’s advocate since the video is a lot about family, can a gay couple ever naturally reproduce without help from outside the partnership? The answer is no. That which is not natural by definition is unnatural.

So, you’re against adoption by couples whom god has chosen not to bless with the ability to reproduce, right?

The issue here is not Kirk Cameron, the issue is the brilliance of rhetoric from him and others who voice the cause of the religious right. They have rather successfully changed the conversation from gay rights to whether religion is being attacked. The actual persecuted minority is the gay community, but what Kirk and other religious leaders like him have done is hold themselves out to be “victims.” The Marriage Anti-Defamation Alliance??

Think of him not as a child actor turned c-list actor, but occupying the same space as televangelists like Pat Robertson.  I think atheists keep tabs on them  because they are popular and influential among a certain section of Christians, and keeping tabs on them is a way to monitor the intellectual environmental they come from and the culture they are creating.

I pledge allegiance to the sane, to the free thinkers everywhere, and to the evidence for which we stand, one humanity, individuals, with liberty and marriage for all.

Medical misfortune? God made a mistake then.

Homosexual behaviour has been observed in animal species that aren’t overpopulated. Lions, for example and populations of Killer Whales. So that’s a ridiculous argument. Though I’ve never heard it before. I wondered how you people would spin that one.

Also, if any species is overpopulated it’s human beings so are you saying it’s okay for us? Your argument also implies that the only reason that two human beings should be in a relationship is for reproduction and that is clearly false. Human relationships are a little more nuanced than that in case you hadn’t noticed.

I only made it through 25 seconds of this.

Is this not making sense shtick part of the Devil’s advocacy?

Would seem to be the natural thing for an overpopulated species then (i.e us).  The world doesn’t need more people.  People are now free to go about their business.

Fun is an abomination in the eyes of those not having any fun.

But seriously, basic rules for a functioning society going back to “cave man”:
Don’t kill your neighbor
Don’t steal from your neighbor
Help your neighbor

We are all interdependent and this sort of thing is obvious.  Respect those around you and those around will respect you.  It only gets wonky when people get greedy.

You seem very invested in your sense of superiority. Here’s a newsflash: not everyone agrees with you that biological families are better than non-biological ones. My brother and I were conceived by donor insemination and raised by two lesbian moms. I don’t consider my family inferior or unnatural in the slightest. Whether a child shares genetic material with both parents, one parent, or neither parent has nothing to do with the worth of the family or the strength of their bonds. Who cares that same-sex couples have to get “help from outside the partnership” to conceive their children? Why is that a problem? You’re the one making it into an issue, shaming and stigmatizing people for not living up to your so-called ideal. Which, by the way, throws not only same-sex families under the bus, but also heterosexual families formed by donor insemination, egg donation, surrogacy, and adoption.

True. I suppose it also helps to remember that these people are losing the war over gay rights. Progress is being made, slowly but surely.

Doesn’t matter.  A “family” can be only two people, the couple themselves.  They don’t have to have children to qualify.  Having children is not the end-all be-all goal of existence.  People who don’t have children are still perfectly natural, and families without children are still families.

I took a quote from Xena and ran with it.  Seeing as how all the conversation was definitely one sided.  Wanted to see if I could spark some interesting debate.  Like I said, playing devil’s advocate.  Brought up some questions to see what the responses were.  

The issue is not as plainly one sided as everyone would like to believe.  Just look at California.  I thought for sure it would pass there but when voters were in the privacy of a voter’s booth without being judged they said no.

I truly am on the fence about the issue.  Technically, any marriage before the state is a civil union and not a marriage.  It is a union before man.  That being said, civil unions should have the same rights.