Atheist Group’s Flyers Vandalized… with a Bloody Cross

Must be because jebus loves them

I am the President of said group.  My letters of recomendation are posted on said site’s pictures.

DNA test that cross!

My name is listed on that flyer as one of the guest speakers.  It definitely rattles you when someone responds with such hate.
Teresa MacBain

Unfortunately, they only have a picture of it.

Chipped in some $$$ … The person (or persons) who did this is (are) seriously disturbed

Christians will say it isn’t a threat. It represents the blood of the Lamb, you need to be washed in the blood of the savior, shit like that.

period blood…

I’m an atheist too, but i these pranksters keep on doing this, just wait till they go to the hospital  due to blood loss, but then prove to them atheist can be morally nice and you don’t have to vandalize to support your beliefs.

While I agree that what this person did is stupid I really don’t understand why they would be expelled.

People at this age do stupid things and they should be punished for these stupid things. However, expelling a young person from college for a stupid stunt such as this seems like an excessive punishment to me.

You could be ruining a persons life because of a stupid stunt pulled due to a lack of maturity, at a time that we know they lack maturity.

How do you know? Was just looking at the website for a couple minutes and everything that might lead to an answer has been taken down for maintenance apparently for a while.

I seem to recall some other God-fearing Christian types employing creative uses of crosses to deter minorities: the KKK and their burning crosses.  This bloody cross strives to be like them.

 I know this because I am a student at KSU and I know of all organizations that are registered at KSU. This is not one of them. Actually this group has been very controversial via its leader verbally attacking people via facebook.

I am a student at KSU and I know of all
organizations that are registered at KSU. This is not one of them they missed the deadline last semester to become a registered organization and still need 15 signatures as well as needing to differentiate themselves from other groups at KSU. This group has been very controversial due to its leader verbally
attacking people via facebook. You should be aware of this before donating money to them….seriously. 

High School students lack maturity. When you’re in college, you’re an adult. If you’re there to act immature and not strive for your degree, then why the hell would you go to college?

A bloody cross says it all.

 This is of one small screen cap that I took when the founder of the group was attacking another group that has already been established at KSU. The leader has shown that he can be high unstable. The attacks he has made in this cap are small compared to the ones he made prior and afterwards. Once again, his group is not a registered organization KSU. There are several other screen caps that have been made that are far worse. If you need more proof I can get those as well. (Some names have been removed as to avoid any future altercations between the two groups as they are not connected right now. I am just a third party viewer of both sides and do not represent either group.)

 I’ve read this about three times since scrolling the comments. Stop spamming, it’s annoying. Thanks. I think we got the memo.

I keep seeing protestations that this is not an official university group.  Whether or not that is true, it is still an inappropriate defacing of their flier, and an act that can be interpreted as an act of hate or intent to harm.  Many groups form on campuses in universities and colleges across the country that are not officially sanctioned, but that does not take away their right to assemble, to communicate with the student body at large, or post fliers if prior approval was given (with recognition usually allowing those groups access to university funds or a vote in governing councils, at most).  If approval for the fliers wasn’t given, this group wouldn’t be taking this issue up with the administration and authorities for fear of being sanctioned by the university for having illegally posted them.  The protestations here about the “officialness” of the group sounds like thinly veiled contempt for their existence – as an atheist group.  

We heard you the first 5 times. Now point out why it matters. Why are you so concerned that they might get a little help replacing their signs? 

 I can’t help but think that less aggression would be good. We don’t have to beat them, we just have to live our lives according to our values. Don’t we?

It actually happens quite a bit.  Contrary to media narratives, synagogues and other Jewish locations are still top in being victimized, but vandalism against Churches, by virtue of the numbers, is quite high.  It took me less than 30 seconds, via Google, to find a story reported in a local news agency (there are pages more, that was just the first):

http://www.10tv.com/content/stories/apexchange/2012/05/08/us-california-church-vandalized.html

There was no approval given. If there was approval the fliers would be handed off to the appropriate individuals that oversee the boards in the particular buildings and there would be a red stamp on the flier somewhere showing that it had approval. If you still doubt that this group is official or not I do encourage you to check the website once it done being revamped. It lists all registered organizations at Kennesaw State University and I guarantee this group is not amongst the list. I personally have no problem with the groups existence. I do however have a pet peeve when it comes to following guidelines and rules that are clearly posted at KSU and that other groups follow. There shouldn’t be a “special” group that gets to skirt the rules. Also, “if approval for the fliers wasn’t given, this group wouldn’t be taking this issue up with the admin. and authorities…” clearly you don’t know anything about KSU’s student life organization. He can tell them that something happened to one of his fliers but there is nothing that they can realistically do or would do. This group posts by going around and putting up fliers everywhere (some are public areas which are ok and do not require permission…others not so much) if you don’t see it happen then you can’t really stop it. You do not know anything about the background of this group or the area so I am trying to enlighten you as it appears I am the only one that is semi enlightened to all of this. I’m just trying to educate people and to straighten out the facts before people start giving away money. …..thank you.

A minor correction: KSU is Kennesaw State University. It is located in Kennesaw, Georgia, not Atlanta.

I am the current president of the Student Coalition for Inquiry at KSU, which is the only official atheist/secular/freethinker RSO at the school. Like any reasonable person, I fully condemn this disgusting attempt to silence or intimidate an upcoming group on our campus. Defacing a flier is an act of childishness and little else.

If you knew the president of the not-really-in-existence group personally like I and “concernedstudent” do, you would understand.

Kennesaw State’s student life department takes down fliers that do not have a stamp of approval.  This organization can’t get approval stamps since they’re not an official organization.  It’s a big deal because people on this site are donating money to replace fliers that will be taken down by the university anyways.  

While I understand the desire, and sometimes need for anonymity- you have to understand that at this point you’re internet-people making random claims without a lot to back it up.  I’m trying to check into the story via other channels.  We are interested in getting the whole story here, and following the rules.  But honestly, you’d help your case if you were a little more forthright with your involvement.  Are you affiliated with a different secular group on campus?  Are you affiliated with a Christian group?  Are you campus staff?

What color is your dog in this fight?  Is your concern really only that an unofficial group is putting up posters against the rules, or is there something more to it?

And hey, I’d be reporting them too if they were violating the rules putting up posters on my campus.  But it just seems like you guys are so adamant about this that there has to be something more going on.

Hey Rich,

As I mentioned above, I’m the current president of the only official secular/atheist RSO at Kennesaw State. I support the creation of another secular group at KSU and deplore the vandalism of KSU Atheists United’s flier. To me, it’s irrelevant as to whether the flier was allowed or not–it should have been removed by KSU staff, not defaced in this manner.

My concern in this is that the flier was defaced. I have not reported unsanctioned posting of fliers at KSU because it isn’t that big of a deal for me whether it occurs or not, unless it’s disruptive and interrupts RSO flier postings.

If you have any questions about KSU or my group and the rules of KSU, please feel free to contact me.

There was an update made that the money would be held until the organization becomes official (if they do). Based on your screencap it looks to me like a mixture of anger, ignorance and I shudder to say it…consistently bad grammar.

The issue, however, has less to do with what you’re purporting and more to do with what was done to the flier. In fact, the issue is mainly about what was done to the flier. Never mind that donations are being gathered, but the actual story behind the donations is what disturbs most people here. Like I said before I don’t see any threat in a red-cross, but it’s clear some people do and perhaps whoever did this had the intention of intimidating the group. Whether the group is a sanctioned organization or not obviously the correct way of going about this is not by defacing the flier and [possibly] ripping down every one of their fliers, but rather by going to the correct authority.

While you claim to be a third-party observer of events you are unwittingly siding with those that defaced the flier in the first place. Looking at your comments you mention rules and their importance to you while failing to condemn the actions.

How about I ask the real question now that you have brought this up just so we can forget for a moment that they are not official. Would this have happened if they WERE indeed an official student organization?

 It could happen to any organization. I don’t condone the act itself. I do not see a real threat I see someone being goofy and trying to get a rise out of people. Which he apparently has achieved. It would matter more in my opinion if it was a official student organization and if the aforementioned organization wasn’t so threatening previously. The groups previous actions have made me not wish to associate myself with the group and I am an Atheist…. I find the sympathy for this group to be annoying because of their previous posting about other organizations on campus. I feel people wouldn’t be so sympathetic to this post if they knew how this organizations “president” really acted.

I’m curious: where do you see atheists, especially on Hemant Mehta’s blog:
 a) denying it happens? (Before you say so, what Rich Wilson is saying isn’t “It doesn’t happen”; he’s saying that we aren’t aware of it, so when it does happen, point it out and we’ll call that behavior out as wrong.  )
b) justify it? (Before you say so, there’s a distinct difference between trying to determine motive of the offenders and justifying their actions.)
c) tell Christians they’re far worse anyway?  (Again, before you say so, there’s a difference between a user posting this stuff, and a user posting this stuff and getting called out on it.  Or would you say that, because Hemant lets you and rilawoffice (or whatever their moniker is) post here, that this is a Christian blog?)

There’s admittedly a fair amount of selection bias here, as I’m specifically interested in stories that involve atheist student groups, and I’m sure I’m not the only one.  But I’m pretty sure that any time Hemant posts stories about church vandalism, that the overwhelming majority of comments call it out as a bad thing, and those that support such actions are called out by the other commenters.

In other words, links please, not to News Agency 123, but to Hemant’s blog, showing where this happens.  After all, if you find it’s a general rule, it shouldn’t be hard to find any examples, no?

 Thank you for understanding my comments. Yes it’s a very ridiculous situation and I just don’t see any sympathy being warranted for this group. I feel this particular group only hurts the cause of Atheism….sad but true.

That’s hear-say. And even-if, just because the leader of a group may be wrong, doesn’t mean the group is, or that the group doesn’t have a right to promote Secularism, because they do! Look at Mr. Bush when he hijacked the presidenty of the U.S. an wrongfully stated “Atheist shouldn’t be considered U.S. citizens” does that automaticly make everyone under his leadership a bigot? No, because the whole U.S. at that time was under his ‘leadership’. Many people at my school called me a bully because I wouldn’t let them get there way, but in realality there were just sour because I wouldn’t let them bully me. If u think the nut with the bloody cross is right, then state ur opion openly.

I thought the pic was sent from an anonymous account, but this guy is more retarded than i thought.

Ya, red crosses that look like they’re made from blood are scary. Superstitious bigots. 

This could easily qualify as a threat and as hate speech. Most colleges have codes of conduct (that no one reads) that clearly state sever consequences for threats and hate speech.

We did get approval for the fliers. Check the social science building, the fliers there have had the stamp since posted.

What you see here is a terroristic threats.  I have never defaced any other theists group’s fliers; then sent it to them.  This is disgraceful.  If you defend this, you are not worthy to speak on the matter; for Kri$taian$$ have killed Atheists for years.  If you don’t know this, you need to stop testing in bi0-labs and start looking at history.  Agnostics are not Atheists.  Don’t put your cream in my coffee; I prefer it black.  If you are a Christian, a follower of Islam or an Agnostic; you should deplore this.  Any attempt to defend this, defends biggots. (don’t forget to correct my grammar and spelling; you have nothing else to do on the sidelines)

Thank you Justin.  Yes, before you donate money; know we will fight what is seen here, forever at KSU. 

SCI is a wonderful group; they are not perfect and have made mistakes.  They need funding as well; I personally indorse Justin’s comments as the new President.   We are not offical yet, but I assure you; I now have 15 signatures.  Send all moneys to SCI.  I do not care.

KSU has supported us.  I wish to make this clear.  KSU is a fine school that teaches truth and freethought.

I have told my officers and members to join SCI.  They are good humans.  I have insulted them and they have insulted me; this in not the issue now, the threat to me is the same to them.   My ultimate concern is the saftey of the Atheists (and all students) at KSU.

In fact, if SCI can raise enough money to bring Mrs. MacBain; by all means bring her JUSTIN!

Wait, is this actually blood or just red pigment?

 Just paint…think of it like finger painting.

We started in March, too late to register.  We have all the signatures we need, a constitution and an advisor.  We will be official soon after the fall semester. 

However, how important is “offical?”  I never asked for any money from anyone.  If a group of students, whom are all Atheists, come together; they are, by definition, a student group.  Our group is made of Americans.  We have the same rights as every other American, including free speech. 

What you see here is a flier, that invites students to my home for a movie.  Do I need to be “offical” for this?  Do I need to be “offical” to ask speakers to come to KSU?  No, I can do that as a student, in and of itself.  Do I need to be offical to debate Theists at KSU?  No, as you can see on our youtube videos; I do not. 

I wish to expose this hate.  I am doing very well working with the KSU Police and other law-enforcement personel.  I will not allow this man, and the man he lives with, to perpetually send us pictures that are poorly-vailed threats.  My focus is student saftey.  The Atheists of my group and SCI.  This is terrorism.