Says Pastor: This is a Christian Nation and Atheists Should Move Out

I feel the love like hands around my throat. 

What he’s really railing against is the fact this country is secular, and that just doesn’t sit well with him. He and his ilk are doing everything  in their power to change this country into something it was set up explicitly to NOT be – theistic.

So, the best response to this nonsense is to point out that there actually ARE theistic countries in the world, and there are planes leaving every day that can take him and his followers to wallow in their god. Of course, they have to compete with another god where it is (Hint: very warm, they don’t think highly of the fairer sex), but at least they’ll be able to  live in a country where all the laws come from a scripture.

What a hateful troll of a man.

They want their religion to be tolerated, then they had better tolerate other religions and nonreligions. I’d imagine very few countries, if any, still have 100% all the same religious belief since it was founded. Going to try to employ your beliefs on the rest of the world next, pastor?

Hey don’t make fun of “Little House on the Prairie”.  Laura Ingalls Wilder was my great-grandmother’s cousin (Alice Josephine Ingalls Whiting)

Fleeing religious persecution is a myth.  Once they arrived, the colonialists were all too happy to engage in religious persecution.  They just wanted to go somewhere where they could practice their own particular forms of religious persecution.

He obviously doesn’t understand what an atheist is or he wouldn’t be equating witchcraft and satanism with atheism. 

Clearly atheists are satanists and wiccans because … oh wait – no their not – they’re ATHEIST!    

I’m starting to think this asshole is full of shit.

I’m watching his videos on his Youtube channel.  He has no shame – playing on the pain of widows and orphans.  Jesus Christ on a stick – what a jerk.

Naahhhh… no royalties or anything.  🙂   Mostly I just get bragging rights or something from being almost direct kin.  I have their genealogy bookmarked for reference.  

Christianity is inherently intolerant. They believe that what they
believe is absolute and must proselytize the “truth”, validate their
superstition and the word of the bible, written by men mostly 300 years after
the fact of anything.  God never really wrote anything at all, illiterate
I guess, rather it is all inspired revelation.  It is one if not the most
destructive ideas of mankind, Christianity. Whatever, Jesus had to say has been
so distorted as to be irrelevant.  It is the worse idea of mankind. 

Um, I think he’s a jerk too, but I *unlike* your flame-y post.

I’m not even going to make fun of him for saying “schoolhouses,” like this is Little House on the Prairie.

This sentence is such an oxymoron.

2012 ad Jesus existed lol . Bible says that its not for everyone may will call on god and he wont know them. I love MANY atheist’s =D. All people and they love me back! some people were born rude an offensive.

Every time I see these fellows getting this kind of attention it puts my teeth on edge.  

They sincerely believe that we, as atheists, have been deceived by Satan.  So in their eyes, we are satanists.  That is their logic.  As per Verbal Kint in ‘The Usual Suspects’: “The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn’t exist.”  Makes total sense…… I say it was the teapot.  Prove me wrong. heretics. 

Hagee can kiss my atheist ass.

I just thought of a kick ass science fiction plot good enough for Kilgore Trout.  Atheists build a spaceship to found a new planet leaving behind all the dickheads like Hagee.  The trip gets ruined by some sanctimonious religious nut, played by Jake Buse, who snuck on board to save our souls.  I see an Oscar in my future.  Absolutely no stories have every followed that plot line before.

When I was a Christian, I was in that group. I believed, and still believe, that separation of church and state is essential for religious liberty.

They do have a Biblical basis for that dichotomy. Jesus said and I’m paraphrasing, “He who is not with me, is against me.” 

I guess Pastor Hagee must’ve forgotten that gluttony is a sin. And Jesus would’ve taken issue with Hagee and his son not offering you any of their meal.

Men like this are very dangerous.  Watching how his followers applaud him makes me wonder what kind of education they obtained while growing up.  Scary.

Love the Kilgore Trout reference.

christanity=circlejerk

Ugh. Please forgive me for just quoting and linking to myself but everything I think and feel watching this guy I already laid out in my blog post, American Values vs. Fundamentalist Values and I feel so strongly like expressing it all again in this context:

For this post, I will put aside the serious questions about whether or to what extent Christianity is historically to credit for actually contributing to modern American ideals, and whether or to what extent Christianity merely accommodated and learned to adapt to Enlightenment values which the whole way it has fought against. I want to focus here instead on what kinds of values self-consciously political, self-consciously literalistic and supernaturalistic, fundamentalist Evangelical Christianity actually leads to in the present and ask whether they are even consistent with truly American values–let alone their only logical support.1. The values of science and innovation.American prosperity cannot be separated from our rigorous empiricism, pragmatism, open-mindedness, hunger for newness, disdain for obsolete and stifling traditions, disdain for authoritarianism, and desire to transform the future into something different and better through human ingenuity. All these values are why we are a scientific and technological leader.And none of these values would be presently waning if it were not for the influence of fundamentalist Evangelical Christianity, which explicitly and actively teaches people (1) to eschew empiricism whenever it undermines faith; (2) to fear pragmatism and prefer moral, economic, and spiritual absolutism instead; (3) to fret that open-mindedness is the path to destruction while closed-minded adherence to ancient texts and dogmas are the path to national salvation; (4) to spurn the new as heresy and denounce the ideal of a transformed future as a desire to betray a golden past; (5) to slavishly obey obsolete traditions; and (6) to celebrate and promote authoritarian domination of prisoners, the “lazy” poor, and foreigners around the globe.2. The values of equality and human rights. No group actively resists the full moral and political equality of women, gays, minorities, immigrants, prisoners, or the poor more than the fundamentalists. This is true worldwide and true in America. Right-wing fundamentalist Evangelical Christians really want us to think that their tradition, which still only rarely (if ever) allows women in pulpits is uniquely indispensable to women being in politics?They really want us to think that a tradition which demonizes the poor as lazy and unworthy of a guarantee of the basic provisions of health care is uniquely indispensable to our valuing the full human rights of all people? They really expect us to believe that without their reading of the Bible, we would not believe in the full and equal treatment of vulnerable groups before the law, when they are the ones who refuse to acknowledge the full humanity of gays or to give them the full equal rights of citizenship (to marry, to serve in the military, to work without fear of being prejudicially fired, etc.)?They expect us to believe that their values are the ones to guide us towards a greater appreciation of equality and human rights when their seething craving for vengeance leads them to support torture more than any other group in the country and to support ever tougher treatment of (unconscionably disproportionately black) prisoners when we already compete with only communist countries and Middle Eastern theocracies for the title of “most likely to incarcerate or kill its own citizens”?3. The values of freedom in thought, expression, and religion. Of course the religious political tradition which believes that laws should be made through considerations of what the book of Leviticus says is our only hope for deriving and preserving the value priority of protecting freedom of religion and freedom of conscience.Of course the people who want the government to subsidize charity operations which proselytize their patrons, who insist on governmental calls for prayer, who relentlessly turn civic ceremonies into religious ones whenever permitted on stage, who talk about their God’s “dominion” over all of life including government, who try to defund public broadcasters and artists who do not share their narrow values, who demonize other faiths and try to get their houses of worship shut down, who panic with outraged offense whenever an atheist billboard announces the mere existence of, or reasons for, disbelief, etc.–these are the only people we can really trust to protect the individual’s conscience from governmental coercion in matters of private belief and the freedom of expression.4. The values of democracy and individual autonomy. Logically, how could we ever believe in rule only by the consent of the governed, unless we believed the whole universe was a cosmic tyranny in which an all-powerful being imposed His unstoppable will on all people without respect for their own wills and damned to eternal torment all those who dissented from His judgments and refused to love Him?How could we believe in the rights, dignity, and autonomy of all individuals if we did not believe in a God who could punish them for thought crimes, and for not loving Him, and for pursuing their own individual conceptions of the good inconsistent with His barbaric, archaic Old (and New) Testament commandments?How else could we either logically derive, or in the future pass on, our belief that the most just form of government is a democratic republic with a separation of powers, if we did not believe that the universe itself is actually most justly run as a theocracy?These views are clearly of an unbreakable piece.Fundamentalist Evangelical Christian theology, values, and political behaviors could hardly be less consistent with the distinctive American values which are most celebrated as the source of American prosperity–let alone be claimed to be their logically necessary precondition. There is little logical connection between closed-minded, fundamentalist, reactionary, authoritarian, hierarchical, superstitious, theocratic nostalgia and America’s open-minded, idealistic, progressive, liberty-loving, egalitarian, scientific, democratic optimism.The claim that contemporary fundamentalist Evangelical Christian values are the irreplaceable logical basis for either deriving or developing America’s highest values is a total and complete lie. Even to the extent that historically Christianity in general sometimes played a positive role in the centuries-long process by which we came to have and to develop these values in the West, still the core distinctive values of reactionary fundamentalism in the present represent a counter-reaction against liberal, Western, American values–however we got them. They are not conservatives, in the true sense of the world. They do not want to conserve distinctively American values. They are restorationists who want to reimpose a theocratic order while giving disingenuous lip service to the reigning ideals of America.

Add me to the list, while I was a Christian I thought the worst thing that could happen would be for government to get into the Church’s business. Now it seems that they don’t see the danger.

He was reflecting on the sacrifices our soldiers made on D-Day, which happened 68 years ago tomorrow, when he thought it was a perfect moment to call out the atheists.

Too bad that none of the atheist soldiers who fought on D-Day were there to call him out on his hateful, ignorant bullshit.

 Airlock is used to get rid of bad things 🙂

Hey, how about those sources on gay suicides?

wait, according to what he says… shouldnt america be a deist nation? 

Yeah, Pennsylvania, Maryland and Rhode Island were all tolerant of all religions.  At which point Puritans moved in, took control, and voted the religious toleration away.  Sound familiar?

I love you. LOL Great post!

The shroud of Turin wasn’t made, it’s just a remarkably clear example of a perfectly normal phenomenon which occurs when a body is wrapped right after death. The body continues to generate heat after its cooling mechanisms have ceased so it heats up. The only fakery was to claim it must have been Jesus because it was a face.

Hey, I am a christian and honestly I agree with most of your comments, this guys is an idiot for saying these things.  What bothers me about your comments though, is the attacking of Christ, when it is obvious to anyone who actually knows Christs teachings that  this pastors comments are contrary to the teachings of Jesus. Most of you are athiests or claim to be, but in reality you don’t really know what you are talking about when it comes to spiritual things. You think  you know, but you don’t know for sure.  I would keep your criticism where it belongs…on those who claim to be followers of Jesus but don’t follow his teachings.  Keep up the good work!

Hi Chris, I  agree, and i don’t blame them.  When Jesus walked the earth he didn’t hang out with the “religious” people, he was a homeless person, basically, who identified  with those who were rejected by the religious establishment of the day.  The Christians who do follow the teachings of Christ do need to be more vocal, being a true folower of Christ is actually a radical anti-establishment way to live (the narrow road) and only a few live it.    

The U.S. was not intended by its founders to be a Christian nation It was intended as a secular nation that is accepting of all faiths (or none at all).  Anyone that says otherwise either has a very poor grasp of our history, or is outright lying.

Fuck religion. That is all.

Ever heard the song “Onward Xian Soldier”? Why do you think our armed forces have so many fundies in the ranks?

No, the Shroud of Turin is a known forgery.  The dimensions on it aren’t proportional to a known human body (the head is much too small for the body), which was a common practice done in medieval art to make a central figure look important.  Also the stains don’t match what would have been imprinted by a deceased person placed in the shawl.  See http://www.infidels.org/kiosk/article815.html

Your link indicates that this person would have to be deformed to leave these marks on a shroud, which would explain why he was shrouded with such haste. Deformed people are everywhere, it’s not proof of fakery, just that this is the earliest example of Jesus-in-a-potato-chip.

I’m not Jessica, but in my opinion the most troublesome of his teaching is that if you don’t accept to follow his rules you will burn and get tortured for eternity. Why do we mock good? Each and every person cause of his own reasons, my main one is bitterness of the years I’ve thought something greater than me was working non stop to eliminate suffering in the world, and also people like Hagee here, religion doesn’t make everyone a hate preaching fanatic, but lately we see more and more of them that actually succeed in their attempts to affect the legal system and thus force their beliefs on other people, and naturally, we fear it. Sadly we have almost no political power so we do the only thing we can, say what we think.
You assume we see god as a machine that doesn’t function like we want, that is not how I see it, let’s take the grand architect analogue, we’ve found many huge faults that can lead us to conclude 3 things if we would still believe in his existence, A:the architect has little or maybe no power at all, and thus cannot control the way it’s creation acts and/affect it in any way. B: the architect cannot view the little details of his creation or maybe he can’t view the whole thing, thus once again, he won’t affect it in any way. C: the one that fills me with the most disgust, that the architect is both aware and able to change his creation for the better and yet he does not do it. In my opinion neither of those versions should be taken as rule models, and unless detailed observation of one/more of them will be found, there’s no need to believe such terrible things exist, I did not write this to convert you to atheism, your belief is your own choice, but I want you to understand why I have the attitude you’re criticizing, I don’t represent Jessica, nor anybody else who doesn’t say I represent him, from the few comments I’ve read from you you seem like a nice person and I’m glad you showed me good religious people still exist.

When I get a chance to argue with a Christian, I like to open with the statement that, according to (most of) them, humans were supernaturally formed out of the dust of the earth (literally) and a single piece of bone from a man (literally), but the advancement of life through natural processes taking billions of years could not possibly make the slightest bit of sense in any way, shape or form. Obviously sarcasm isn’t the best way to get people to listen to you, but then I tell them that it is okay to question things you are told. So, if and when the scientific community proves things to be true and so much more comprehensible than some ancient Hebrew text’s “explanation” of our origins, then the first pages of the Christian’s holy book are exposed as fraudulent and hardly any of its subsequent content can stand up to scrutiny either. People are of course scared to death to face this particular situation, so what do they do? They stand in their pulpits and shout idiotic BS to the masses like Hagee does.  He must have actually thought some of us non-believers would listen to him and fly out, never to return. DELUSIONAL – surprising, huh? Well, I’m not going anywhere. I don’t take the first swing in a fight but I really would love it if someone like him thought he could physically force me to get out of this great “Christian nation” because I don’t belong or deserve a place in this country. I swear I wouldn’t hesitate to rough him up. Some people really do just need an a$$-kicking to be silenced.

Well someone made up the Bible, right?  So obviously someone had the dichotomy beforehand

Education? Lol. Christian kindergarten, following by Christian high school, complemented by Sunday school, followed by Christian university (for some).

Did you read the article?  The shroud shows a figure who would be severely mentally handicapped.  The elbows are in a position that a corpse cannot hold (with hands folded over the crotch, gravity will pull your elbows down and hands away to your sides).  The hair falls down the sides of the head as if he were standing, not toward the back of the head as if he were lying.  And a face imprinted on cloth would look disproportionately wide when laid flat–the face in the shroud is drawn to look like a two-dimensional representation of a three-dimensional face: what you would see in a photograph, not a rubbing.  The shroud cannot be anything but what its provenance and the carbon dating show it to be–a medieval fraud.

The whole concept bugs me.  You mean to tell me that creator of the universe birthed himself into mankind and sacrificed himself to himself to forgive he could’ve just…maybe…forgiven?  I can’t accept that.  Plus a lot of symbolism in the bible seems to have been borrowed from a few previous myths before it.

Can you cite those execution records? Afaik, none existed.