Pastor Calls For Electrified Fence To Corral and Exterminate Gays

Can I invoke Godwin’s Law NOW?

Most christians think that the LGBT community recruits because they can’t reproduce.    They think being gay is a choice.  Not all, and he’s kinda vague in his statements, but probably is along those lines.

I think the whole point of the “keep feedin’ them” part was to make him sound at least a small bit humane, you know, I don’t want to kill ’em, I just want them to die off and stop recriuting our good god fearing kids.

Personally I’m more miffed about the obvious “Vote Romney” message in there.  Another case for investigating and losing their tax exempt status if you ask me.

As per Poe’s Law. you can’t tell satire from crazy religious stuff unless the satirical piece gives the reader a”wink” of some kind.

That´s exactly what I thought, he´s gonna have to do the same thing again in about 15, 20 years, when the next generation of lesbians, queers and homossexuals is old enough to understand their sexual desires.
And then again, and again. It would probably become another religious ritual, something like the Holy Segregation of the Queers. The Pope would decret it a new holyday, and christian teenagers would have to bring their own captured queers to show their devotion to Christ.

”
Water, water, everywhere, but not a drop to drink…”
That’s “NOR any a drop to drink”. But then, The Mariner needs updating. Today it’s the TSA that stoppeth one in three…

Remember: people like this believe they’re the GOOD guys, so for some reason, they think they’re entitled to go so far as to genocide their own species…

On a side note, he (the pastor) does realize that not only are homosexuals actually capable of reproduction – just because one has an aversion to the opposite sex doesn’t mean you aren’t capable of having sex with them (look at closet cases). Not only that, but if the homosexuals in the concentration camp do have children, a majority of those kids ill be straight.

The way he talks about this, he treats it as if homosexuality isn’t a choice…still, I’ll bet if asked, he’ll greatly insist being gay is a choice.

35 years ago he longed for the good old days when you could just string up gays (and presumably blacks) on the nearest oak tree:

http://www.goodasyou.org/good_as_you/2012/05/pastor-worley-in-1978-forty-years-ago-they-wouldve-hung-homosexuals-bless-god-from-a-white-oak-tree.html
 

My go to quote has been: “Anyone who thinks Leviticus makes good social policy”. 

Does his plan include a way to add in all the gays who are born next week without anyone escaping?

 FTR, Godwin’s Law does not say that any given Nazi reference is necessarily inappropriate.

This is a case in which the Nazi reference would be very appropriate.

Worley says:
The bible is against it
God is against it
I’m against it

Let me critique these rationales.

The bible was written by people living in a time and place where social attitudes were a lot more constrained about what kind of behavior was tolerated.  The bible being against it is only relevant in understanding what the prevailing social attitudes were are the time of the bible’s authorship.

It always baffles me how people who believe in God somehow think there is any correlation between what God believes and the collection of literature now known as the bible.  Honest believers in God must admit that they don’t know anything about God.  All they know is words that people in the past put in the mouth of God.

As for Worley being against it, well he is entitled to his opinion although he abuses his position as a pastor in expressing his bigotry as somehow being the opinion of what the congregation imagines as the supreme creator of the universe.  Religion is often just bigotry wrapped in purple cloth.

I don’t really see how a social structure like religion can undergo a major shift without creating discord and discomfort.

In any case, the behavior of people like this “pastor” is probably helping more people than it’s hurting.

I think it’s important to take this stuff apart for what it is. So vile as it is, I don’t think he’s proposing to starve people, he’s just making a stupid point about procreation.

He’s stupid enough by himself, there’s no need to add to it.

Of course, if he’d think about it the same would be true for any group of people where they’re split off into male and female and kept in electric fences.

And like someone else already pointed out, gay people  don’t come from other gay people, so even if he did this, the next generation that grew up would have just the same percentages of gay.

Right, and he also probably believes the lie that being gay causes a vastly shortened lifespan. Combine the two crazy ideas and he thinks he can corral us all, let us die of gay sexing, and then there will be no more queers. (He is also not taking into account the trans people and the genderqueer people and the bisexuals, but that’s probably the least of his problems.)

i promise you, this guy..is already kissing men. me thinks he doth protest too much. what a jerk!

Yes, exactly. He wasn’t proposing genocide, he was saying he thought “the gay” is only transmitted/inherited and not a variance that occurs everywhere.  That’s stupid, of course, but it’s pretty dishonest to put words into his mouth.

Not only is he making a (really stupid) point concerning his views on procreation, he also wishes he could get away with lynching “queers,” and apparently, so does his congregation. If that isn’t a direct incitation to violence, I don’t know what is.

The Nazi’s also put gays into concentration camps along with Jews and Gypsies. The Jews wore yellow stars of David and the Gays wore pink triangles. I don’t know what the Gypsies had to wear.

Everyone got put in those camps, besides those Nazis deemed worthy. Jews, Gays, Gypsies, the Elderly, the Disabled… the list goes on, most likely.

Don’t trivialize his mindset. While the proposal is of course stupid when taken literally, the idea behind it needs to be taken seriously. In 1978, he preached that he was sad that gay people could walk around openly when they were hanged from trees 40 years ago.

Make no mistake: if given the chance, he would kill people

A old audio clip from the 70s has been found of this taint stain bragging about how homosexuals used to be hung. 

 Yes, quite a conundrum for certain, ah nutters.

Also a conundrum for the abortion-rights absolutists who support LGBT rights when they become aware of a silent genocide aimed at the gay unborn.

rofl.   He’s operating on the theory that it takes a gay to convert a kid to gayness, like gays are vampires in True Blood or something.

Also, didn’t some German guy somewhere a while back try to segregate an entire segment of the population into death camps as well? His name escapes me…

News from my friend is that they are running into a beauracratic wall re: the scheduled protest. If anyone has access to resources regarding right to assembly in NC, I would love to pass them along. I have been looking but I cannot find any.

No, he’s not proposing to starve us. he just wants us all behind a giant electric fence, locked away from society, medical care and everything else necessary to live, until we either die out or some extremist gets the idea to go play target practice. 

He was proposing genocide. 

He wouldn’t care about people disliking him for it. He’s doing Gawd’s Holy Work! People being against it would be persecution. 

 Well, my church doesn’t claim that it would be a sentient/self aware fully developed human.  But then my church doesn’t hold that one need be sentient/self aware or fully developed in order to be fully a human being.

Do you have the same position regarding those places in the world that employ an extensive use of abortion to prevent the birth of girls?  China for example?

Okay by me.

Why? If you believe in abortion rights, it’s because you don’t consider the fetus a person, and there’s no ethical problem with eliminating it. For any reason. You can’t have genocide before you have a person to kill.

In any case, since it’s almost exactly the same people who are opposed to abortion and who think there’s something wrong with homosexuals, I don’t really see who you think would actually get an abortion because their kid was going to be gay. The pro-choice folks don’t have a problem with homosexuality.

I refer you to what I consider Steve84’s most reasonable request.

A common belief among his ilk is that gay people aren’t born, they are recruited. So, like I said elsewhere in thread, by locking all the queers away he likely believes he’d be protecting future generations from contamination.

The guy is foul, vile and evil….

How anyone can continue to follow any christian clubhouse and leader is beyond me

Then do simething about it. Give uo being a christian.

That’s exactly what I was thinking as I was reading this.  So, if gays CAN’T reproduce anyway, why the hell does Worley care that they are all together in a pen?  And where in the hell did he think gays come from, anyway?  Heterosexual sex, of course!   Prob’ly all them un-aborted babies that them xtrians are so hellbent on savin’.    

Eh, I disagree.

This kind of ranting homophobia is becoming more repulsive to more people, but that’s because of the normalization efforts of more progressive people and more gay people standing up for their identities and change the younger generations, not because these nutbag preachers have somehow contributed.The homophobes are just as vile as they ever were: it’s their potential audience that was positively changed (and not by the homophobes). Let’s not give them positive credit where none is due.

When these men could easily be preaching love and harming no one and helping many, “helping more than they’re hurting” is still unacceptable. It’s like giving a maiming gunshot credit for making the victim appreciate xer other limbs and life more, forgetting that not being shot would have been obviously better.

Thank you.

He’s a perfect little shart, ain’t he.

Keep in mind this is a region where people “sale” their unwanted items, put their clothing in “chester draws”  and go to the salon to “git ma hur did.” I don’t fault him for using the popular colloquial, grating as it may be. I fault him for being a ginormous ass.

Thank you.

I’m not on FB (because I am an uptight old fart who doesn’t want anyone that much in her business except her spouse) but my friend is, so I will pass Justins info along to her if you think he wouldn’t mind.

And yet young people are still far more progressive on the issue. So rabbit breeding and teaching hate aside it doesn’t seem to be working in the long run.

 “does he think…”

…the answer is already no.

I won’t say that I am ashamed of your shameless opportunism, but I am certainly a little embarrassed by it.

He didn’t mention water, sanitation, health care, shelter, clothing, etc. So maybe he’d like to put them all in the desert with regular food deposits and nothing more? Who knows, because he didn’t say. I’ll bet he would though – after all, surely he would choose a spot far removed from everyone else so that gays couldn’t reach the outside world in any way.  No communication, no contact and no escape – that electric fence guarantees it. That way they could die off faster AND everyone else would get closer to Jeezus and the Great Sky Fairy (oh, hold on there, ignore that last word… I mean Daddy), with one major problem no longer an issue in the US of A. Oh, wait a moment, damn, I just remembered that there are many other countries in the world with gay people – would those governments cooperate with this brilliant man of God and send their gay people to this location??? Or would they consider telling him to f–k off and go die himself? Or perhaps just not answer his plea because he’s a mindless, raving lunatic?

Well, I wouldn’t exactly call my comments “positive support”…

I’m just saying that this sort of extremism produces unintended positive consequences… like if you get shot, and they discover early cancer while removing the bullet. It’s not like that makes getting shot “positive”.

 That was my read. It is fascinating to hear some folks telling stories about the recruitment strategies of homosexuals. …makes you wonder if they see something in themselves that would make them recruitable, as it were.

So, do you take away all the modern technology and tools?  How do you propose to REALLY keep them there?  If they escape, do you shoot them? 

Another, “so called” pastor, right?  He’s not a “true” christian then?  You do realize that argument fails spectacularly for many reasons.  One, this isn’t a rare viewpoint.  Two, there’s a lot of hate in the bible what this pastor is saying fits pretty well with all that nasty stuff.  Three, there is no “true” christianity, there’s no god involved in the process so people are just making it up as they go along anyway.

At about 0:30 she says that he said it, yes, but he wouldn’t actually want gay people put behind a fence; he didn’t mean it like that.  What?  He said it, but doesn’t mean it, but *we*, his flock, know what he meant.  Kind of like the 4 bajillion interpretations of the bible… we know which parts are the divinely inspired words of god and which parts are not meant to be taken literally.  Then she says that if they can’t get the message then yes, they would die off.  This woman makes me dizzy, spinning in circles like that (and somehow never managing to say a single cogent sentence).  If you have to work that hard to stick up for something your leader said, hey, maybe it’s time to actually put some thought into the whole thing?  But probably not.

Dunno about causation, but there’s a big shift in African American support for same sex marriage going on 
http://bruni.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/05/24/blacks-and-marriage-equality-an-update/

Oh and just in time we have a new Mr. Deity 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRGj-L_Y6-Q

Mocking a regional accent is hardly a reasonable response to this. It is the content of this man’s speech that makes it shit, not his fashion of speaking.

 I’m proud to be the “anti-bigot” auntie.  I have a few family members that are disgustingly bigoted and redneckified.  I make sure to be the “cool” one and teach the kids about equality when “Daddy” isn’t looking.

Then again, I’m the kind of girl that brings her black, lesbian friend to Xmas dinner with the absolute worst of the bunch.  My, but he was polite that day! ;D  My friend and I had an absolute giggle fit when we got home at how positively uncomfortable he was while everyone else was business as usual.  We didn’t bully, weren’t mean or snarky to him, but he got to feel what it was like to be the odd one out at the table for once.  He was the only one with a problem and he didn’t like being the odd-man out.

I’m happy to report that when his oldest son came out as gay two years later, he was understanding and kind.  Turns out that his fear of gays was more to do with the bigot-fiction that so many like to spout; you know the stories, gays hit on every dude, gays are rapists, all that BS that homophobes like to fantasize about and then protest too much about.  He’d never met an actual gay person in his life until he met my friend.  He was astonished that she was staying with me because she was grieving the loss of her partner who had passed away recently.  Credit though for pushing through his feelings of  “icky,” admitting he was wrong, and trying to be a better person.

Sometimes you can break through even 40 years of that brainwashing bullshit and get through to someone.  Hopefully this story gives you a better feeling on it.  I don’t have to covertly point out to his kids that there’s nothing wrong with being gay, now he does it himself.

Now to work my evil, equality-laced witchcraft on the last two…

If you can be the person that steers the kids in the right direction, do your best to do so.  It will benefit the kids in the future and make a difference in the long run.

Raising my hand to be counted as yet another freethinker born out of the unholy (lol) union of homphobia, religious fundamentalism, anti-educationalism, nationalsim and patriarchy. Sometimes, the more oppressive the doctrine, the further one runs to get away.

While calls for violence against gay people is sickening, this clearly was not meant as a call to actually put anyone into an electrified camp. It was a very twisted and stupid way of making the point that reproduction is impossible without artificial insemination in lesbian relationships and  totally impossible in gay men’s relationships.

He was an idiot for using those words to make his point though.

Sex isn’t even necessary. All it takes is two fertile people, some fresh sperm, and a syringe, and it’s easy to conceive. At least this pastor has the sense to realize that he needs to separate men from women if he wants to stop them from reproducing, but I can’t see why he thinks segregating homosexuals by sex would be any different from segregating heterosexuals by sex. The result would be the same in both instances.

I’m always baffled by the notion that the human race would die out if everyone was gay. Of course there would still be children. The only difference is that every pregnancy would be planned, so there wouldn’t be accidental or unwanted babies. Wouldn’t that actually be a good thing?

There IS a difference between locking people up and keeping them from eating and locking people up, expecting that they won’t procreate and thus their kind will die out. Of course I am not defending him, but I think it just bad style to pretend he said he wants to kill all gay/lesbian people when he instead said he wants to isolate them. Yes, that is a horrible idea as well, but the point he was trying to make was “if we keep away from ‘the gay’ it will vanish” and not “let’s kill all the gay/lesbian people”. 
Do you know how when Atheists point out that at Christmas there have to be displays of all faiths and unfaith allowed and the Christian right says “They want to take our displays away from us!” It’s like that. Willful misinterpretation. We criticize it when others do it, but when we do it it’s okay? 

love it

As a Christian, you should be telling other Christians this. It’s nice that you are ashamed by it. Now go spread the word. Don’t let these hateful assholes be the voice of your religion. 

 He wants to imprison gay people behind a fence and leave them there until they die.  How is that not genocide?  It doesn’t matter if his reasoning is faulty, what matters is his intent–he wants to wipe out all gay people.

There isn’t even a comparison to be made. It’s a simile. He’s proposing a “final solution” to the “homosexual problem.”

Maybe it’s the false ‘compassion’ but his approach actually seems more dehumanizing to me.  Maybe because I imagine he think’s he’s being ‘humane’ by “dropping some food”.

 Well, if it was not meant to be taken literally, then why the title of the blog post?

As for whatever he said 30 years ago, I people change. Maybe he has changed and just has not gotten his violent examples out of his head yet to illustrate perfectly factual statements.

Hmmm, all the gays on one side and lesbians on the other?! Sounds like a good ol’ fashioned 100-mile-long sex party! OOOOOOHHHEEE! 

Godwin’s law isn’t even necessary in this guy’s case. He’s outright advocating for something that the Nazis did to homosexuals. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_Holocaust

Dont be North,we get that Fsq says some things in the same realm as this pastor has done.

 Look who’s talking…

Like???

The guy is not only a bad person, but he’s a bad pastor as well. I don’t know who taught him his beliefs but a) his attitude towards the gay community are not Biblical. b) His plan is not Biblical on two separate levels 1) That’s treating the sinner with love. They are sinners not lepers. We are all sinners including this pastor.

 This leads to the second level, he has some screwed up theology if he thinks this is a valid plan. If being gay is caused by a genetic trait, then I suppose his plan could work, but treating a population group in such a way would be genocide. No, instead he probably believes as I do, that being gay is a choice. So even if you caged “all the queers and homosexuals” it would not prevent future people from choosing a gay life style. Just like we lock away murderers and people still chose to kill others right? 

It’s theology 101 that says all of us are born as a sinner. So the only way to prevent any more sinners being born would be to complete separate the genders around the globe and extinguish the human population all together. That would be human genocide. 

Oh, and he would have to be grouped together in the pen with the other male sinners. Here’s to hoping he’s smushed shoulder to shoulder with several gay couples 🙂

There’s one very vague reference to women:

Romans 1:26-27

 
26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error. 

I’d have to agree. But I’m not happy about it.

 Scary, yes. But do you hear the language you’re using? “these people breed like rabbits”? Really? You sound just like “these people.”

While people invoke the “Methinks he doth protest too much” meme too often, there’s very strong anecdotal evidence that a significant minority of homophobes… not only that, but a significant minority of homophobes in leadership positions, are closeted homosexuals. It was like an epidemic for a while, before (presumably) they saw what was happening and clamped down.

This isn’t like a typical stereotype; we have numerous, fairly recent case examples of these people spending their lives ranting against gays while hiding their own homosexual activities. That’s why “He doth protest too much” prospers.

I’m not arguing with that. That’s as it may be; I don’t find it beyond belief. I’m just saying that we have some of those same “protest too much” stories within the Christian subculture, that also bear out. Doesn’t apply to everyone. Does apply to enough, though, to make the comparison.

Not all Christians and/or churches believe this way.   So don’t ‘lump us’ all together!

Some one needs to round up all the straights. After all they’re the ones who keep on having these deviant gay/lesbian kids.

Damn logic, gets you every time.

This man a a self  righteous fool::Like many of these so called Preachers, who get caught with their pants down;;I wonder how many whores did he sleep with this week:::God made us all equal::   Like the colors of the rainbow::::Pastor Charles Worley, you need to pray, that God forgives you, because without God ;we are all sinners::When you live in a glass house you better be careful; who you throw your stones at::Hell is definitely waiting for you