At Christian Conference, Boys Must Use the Escalators

What about boys with disabilities who can’t use escalators? Let’s hope it’s enough to wake them up so they can come join the godless hoard.

Maybe they think someone can look up a girl’s skirt if she’s using an escalator?

I don’t know. it’s hopelessly weird.

 God will heal them as long as they aren’t amputees.

Wasn’t it us atheists that had trouble with boys and girls on the same elevator not too long ago?

Putting the “L” back in L-evator, am I right?

Just wish I could be a mouse in the corner for the inevitable hot girl-on-girl elevator action.  Heaven on the seventh floor indeed, my Christesbian lubbers.

OK, far-fetched and if insulting to anyone, I apologize, but how do you even satirize something this silly?  If the theocrats ever do take over, it’ll be the death of comedy.

When I was in high school I went to a summer camp (completely nonreligious) which was held in a multistory dorm building at a nearby university where we did much the same thing.

I can’t remember exactly what the rules were, but I think it was that girls could use the elevators whenever, but boys could only use them during the first and last weekends (when moving in and out of dorm rooms).  Otherwise boys had to take the stairs.  There were some exceptions of course (the guy on crutches could take the elevator, etc).

I believe the intention was a sort of institutionalized chivalry, though I don’t think any reasons were explicitly given.  It was just one of those rules the organization had, on par with having to always wear our name tags and not being allowed to play “spoons”. 

If I remember correctly, the result of the policy was that very few people over all would take the elevator.  Most girls opted to take the stairs.  Of course, I’m a guy, so I was never on the elevator.  For all I know, there were massive lady groups constantly being ferried from level to level.

 I, too, would like to know this, and I’m guessing the answer is a resounding “no.”  Considering the size of the hotels near O’Hare, they have a LOT of guests and there’s no question that some of those guests are male people with disabilities that force them to use the elevator.

Me, I’d go and use the elevator just to send a big “Fuck you and your sexist bullshit” message to the convention.

 skepchick must be over the moon.

Oh dear, what about the ones that God made transgendered, intersex people or who really aren’t quite sure where they fall?

If girls used escalators, boys would look up their skirts.

It’s been too long since I had a good elevator orgy.

I vote for this one

And why, pray tell, would that be?

 How about you bother to explain how you managed to come to that conclusion rather than drive by derail.

Here we go again. 

Because not wanting to be propositioned in isolated circumstances is EXACTLY the same as segregating people based on arbitrary characteristics, right?

And also because you’re a shitbag.

 And I’ll bet you’re pretty thrilled that you get to attack straw-feminists instead of acknowledging the fact that many men treat women like objects and that that’s a shitty way for the world to operate.

 My thoughts exactly.

Methinks they listen to too many Aerosmith songs.

An escalator can never break, it can only become stairs.

I read it as only girls may use the elevator, not girls may only use the elevator.

Subtle but important distinction: orgy on the escalator.

 I’ll admit that I snickered a little bit at that. But, um… if I’m laughing at it, it’s probably not funny.

Sadly untrue. Escalators can break down by having a step collapse, releasing anyone standing on it into the machinery, where they presumably suffer a painful and grisly fate. (Although that is admittedly rare. Then again, when was the last time you heard of an elevator breakdown which was more serious than the elevator just standing still?)

I don’t think these rules go far enough:  1)  it says nothing about females wearing black patent leather shoes; 2) it says nothing about females wearing pearls; and 3) it mentions ABSOLUTELY nothing about the deadly danger from white tablecloths!  (snark)

What’s this world coming to?!!!

Maybe if she didn’t act like the leader of some cool kids high school clique (actually it’s the “cool kids blogger clique) and “internet humiliate” anyone who comes from different cultural norms as her she wouldn’t put so many people off.

 Don’t get me started on elevators, please. I’m disabled, I have no other options, and I’m already not a fan of the damned things.

 You mean maybe if she stayed in her place like a good girl?

Actually most of the girls I know who are skeptics can’t stand her. 

And if you think those girls are the kind to stay in some place… your a fool.

But thanks for the nice attempt to smear someone because they don’t like your little internet hero. Pathetic.

 I’m trying to find a way to tie this in to a comment regarding Teen Girl Squad from Homestarrunner.com, but I cannot.  So, instead, just check them out.

Aren’t they afraid the girls will have a lesbian sex orgy in the elevators?

 That’s usually the case isn’t it?

Around the same number, my friend pool is roughly 50/50.

 And technically, all they’d have to do is, like remove their socks and shoes, and hold hands.

Yes, you can have an orgy without sex ever being involved.

My thought, too. That and the possibility of some frottage in the elevator.

If you’re responding to “They’re probably trying to avoid uncomfortable situations where men ask
women if they’d like to come back to their rooms for late-night coffee.”, I might have said something like that, and I pretty much agree with her. In fact the way she was treated has alienated me from the atheist community.

They’re just carrying on the Orthodox Jewish tradition of “yichud” (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yichud)

Sp0ons as in hitting them against your knee in a old timey blue grass band fashion?

i forgot. she is exempt from criticism or satire because she is a woman. forgive me.

I was on an elevator with Rebecca when the Church executed Galileo…well, they didn’t, really, but PZ said it was the same thing…

LOL, I had the same thought.

With Skepchick there was nothing inherent in the situation that the quite polite proposition made more dangerous. This solution solves all the actual imagined dangers she worried about, like being trapped in an elevator with a man who might just be a rapist who likes to make sure he is seen leaving the bar following his victim, and registering at an event so the police could easily track him down.

Skepchick can speak for herself as to when she wants/does not want to be “propositioned”. When she claims to be speaking for ME she’s just being a twat.

Why do you feel the need to have Joe acknowledge that “many men” treat women as objects. That didn’t even happen in the elevator case. The guy showed interest in her obnoxious ideas, and even asked for consent to hear more of her nonsense in his room, with mutually beneficial side activities. He certainly didn’t just pick her up and use her like a fleshlight. How many times have we heard women complain in this way and mock their suitors only to turn around and accept a similar proposition made by a different male. He was treating her like a woman, not an object, precisely because so many woman act this way. I fact some of the best operators are complete assholes because many women reward such behavior. Maybe you should complain about your fellow women.

Because it will make her safe from being trapped on elevators with potential rapists, and the inconvenience of being talked up by men she doesn’t wish to bed despite her need to advertise her body on her web site.

… and give skepchick some credit for making an “object” of herself with her nude calendar pictures.

Those are both cite quotes and scare quotes.

Damn fight too.  If a clumsy come on caused a flame war in the atheist blogsphere, just imagine what the christians would do.  

Prolly just condemn the action and move on.  In retrospect, they missed a great opportunity to make themselves look good.

Wasn’t it her who was trying to keep men in their place?

Says someone who self identifies as “perverted” in their “about me” on their web site and then demands respect. Who’s a dumbass again?

Except they are Christians. Look at the bottom of the sign.

Brain, you can watch Jersey Shore if you feel that you must. 

Me? I’ve seen those people featured in the “news” and regret that I even know who they are. 

If I never see that show it will be soon enough.  However, please clear something up for me.

Are you saying that the show is about Chrisitanity and represents what it is to be a Christian?

Or, are you just (_!_) hurt because I get a kick when the feminist atheists treat the guys, well, like the atheists treat Christians?

Oh, and FTR, I clicked “Like” instead of “Reply” by mistake.

as a man, a gay man, i confess…i treat men like sex objects…like whistling construction workers, when groups of us heathens get together, we give it to the men while they arent paying attention….gawking at the woman passing by….lol

Yeah, because what she wants is to be propositioned in public. How’s that strategy working out for you? I thought she was reasonable when she said that she didn’t want to be propositioned after she just got done explaining she wasn’t in the mood but then it morphed into the core reason women don’t show up at atheist meetings. Ya see it’s only male atheists that behave badly in bars. Meanwhile she’s totally oblivious to the fact that the reason why there might be a lot of action for women at atheist clubs is precisely because male atheists ARE interested in their minds, and odds are they don’t run into like minded women in the wild. If they were only interested in women as bodies there are the dumb, drunk, and more attractive, and more accessible chicks down at the local bar.

Didn’t take long for someone to associate a pussy with something undesirable. I happen to really enjoy twats, I think I will side with them.

It’s just as representative of how Christian men and women treat each other as what you are getting your yuks about with some fairly unrepresentative hyper feminist atheists. Although it’s likely the Jersey short type Christians far out number whatever you are talking about.

SWEEET! Girl fight!!!! Let’s get some oil and jello in a kiddy pool, and watch the sexy hijinx ensue!!!!!

Don’t know about Mr. Macker, but given the zeitgeist around here I”m pleasantly surprised there are still some things that can qualify as a kink.

I disagree.   Feminists are as a varied as other political groups.   Ranging from full on nuts to the perfectly rational.    There are conservative sexy non-scientific religious feminists, and every other combination.

I’m pretty sure that preventing male Ascension attendees from using the elevator will prevent their ability to make veiled propositions to women on the elevators.   Unless maybe they have psychic powers.

Oh did you mean it wouldn’t prevent such propositions at atheist meetings because we don’t follow such rules, or wouldn’t prevent other males?  Well that wasn’t what I meant.

This would certainly prevent such elevator propositions by atheists if we took up this policy at atheist conferences.  Of course, that assumes people would follow the rule.

Never mind, i didn’t read your post properly.

The Captain’s quote (deliberately?) omitted a word that substantially changes the meaning of Sasha’s original quote, an ironically he did it while complaining about straw men arguments. 

Since when is that kind of hypocrisy okay in an argument?

One word for you:

Elevatorgate

While I know that you must be intentionally being this obtuse, I will go back to your original statement which says nothing about preventing Ascension attendees from making the veiled propositions just that it will prevent them overall. I agree it will prevent male Ascension attendees from propositioning female ascension attendees in elevators but it does nothing to prevent other male hotel guests from making propositions whatsoever. It therefore does nothing to protect “their women” from anyone but “their men.” So unless you assume that they think of “their men” as more dangerous than other men then this flyer is not designed to protect women but merely to prevent consensual sex.

“While I know that you must be intentionally being this obtuse”
I have to explain a mocking joke to you and you think I’m the one that is obtuse?
You  do get that she is being mocked and that there is no actual claim that she has suggested sexual segregation right? Obviously not.

“I agree it will prevent male Ascension attendees but it does nothing to prevent other male hotel guests from making propositions whatsoever. ”

Skepchick was having an issue with atheists propositioning her in elevators, not the general public.  Therefore it will solve her problem.   The joke isn’t about solving why the Ascension group is doing what they are doing, and is immaterial to the mocking that is being done.

I hope you are aware that Skepchick had a history of bigoted assumptions about male atheists prior to elevator guy.   This was one more little tidbit of false evidence to go on her pile of stereotypes to generate bigotry against male atheists.  I suggest you look up “Reddit makes me hate atheists” to see her reasoning skills in action.  

She is exactly the kind of person who wouldn’t grasp that other people might just use the elevator other than atheists because she’s too dense to figure out that commenters on Reddit, even in atheists forums, aren’t restricted to atheists.  Which is just one more juicy layer to the comedy of this joke.

Surprise, surprise, atheists men don’t like being stereotyped by bigots.    She kept digging the hole deeper too, compiling mor an more “evidence” aka “anecdotes” to feed her bigotry.