The Black Atheists of Atlanta… and Homophobia

It is absolutely disgusting, racist and homophobic, i knew there were of course some racist/sexist/homophobic atheists but not that there was an official group who believed this. But on the good news i can’t wait to see the debate and if you check out the facebook page there is quite a few people calling them out on it.

I think a lot of these homophobic statements from these host come from the fact that they are black instead of the fact that they are atheists.
This can be seen from the many racial comments they make.

Unfortunately homophobia is still rampant among the black community and it is leading to a serious problem among them.

Yes, atheism is skepticism as applied to religion. It doesn’t guarantee skepticism applied universally.

The sad truth is that being a member of one minority group (atheist) doesn’t mean that we are automatically friendly to other minority groups (in this case, the GLBT community). We have to be careful about the temptation to say “we’re rational, so we’re not discriminating against x like those other people over there.” Because of this, it is absolutely necessary to call our own out on their bigotry when we see it.

Man, all that “African Values/Society” stuff is really kooky. I loved it when the guy on the left asked the obvious question of there being loads of African “cultures”, Africa being a large continent and all, but the question is never really answered.

It’s very worrying that they believe that the rules or values of modern societies should be based purely on old traditions and customs. These guys may be athiests but it looks like they have their own dogma: that the “Traditional African Ways” have always been perfect (for people of African descent, at least?) and are immune to rational criticism and improvement. Rose tinted glasses, nostalgia for the “Halcyon days”, and blind rejection of everything an old oppressor believes in all spring to mind.

I’ve always been confused by atheist homophobia. I know of course that being an atheist does not make you a rationalist, but arguments against homosexuality are so weak once you remove scripture that I’m consistently surprised that anyone could support them.

What really gets me though is this attempt to use the credibility of science to put a veneer of respectability onto pre-existing homophobia. As a scientist, I find the very idea that my discipline could be used to justify bigotry enraging. It’s also embarrassing that these morons would try to wield science from the “law of reproduction” (I must have missed that one, does that come before or after the laws of thermodynamics?) to justify their bigotry when they are perfectly aware that similar pseudoscientific bullshit was once used to argue that people with their particular pigmentation were inferior.

I don’t know why anyone would find this shocking. Atheism only applies to the God Question; it doesn’t entail certain views about any other aspect of human existence. Ever heard of Ayn Rand?

I guess James Baldwin wasn’t black enough?

(I posted a lengthier comment, but I think it got caught up in a spam filter.)

Thanks Hemant for giving “Ask an Atheist” a mention and for covering this story.

One of the chief criticisms we have of religion is that when it acts in morally bankrupt ways or says bigoted things, moderate religious types don’t call it out and challenge it, even when it comes from their specific denomination’s leadership.

We’d be hypocrites if we couldn’t call out members of the atheist community when they said the sort of bigoted things that Blackson Bau does in the video above.

As an update, we’ve learned that the excellent early episodes of BAA were not flukes.

They were simply filmed before Black’s bigoted conspiracy garbage drove off the majority of the original hosts. What remains now are simply the people who agree with his pseudo-scientific homophobia.

According to Black Nonbelievers of Atlanta (and unrelated and SANE atheist group), Blackson is known as something of a fringe, separatist and bigoted kook in the Atlanta freethought community.

It’s only a shame that he seems to have the biggest media podium in town.

Thanks for joining the chorus of voices against his prejudice, Hemant!

Mike Gillis
producer, Ask an Atheist

@Heidi

Did you ask those asshats how they feel about hetero anal sex and gay blow jobs?

I did not ask about hetero anal sex, but one of them did volunteer this little gem, “Why would a guy want to blow another guy? That doesn’t even make sense!”

What, did you expect bigots to actually have anything profound to say about such topics? 😛

While the attitude expressed towards BAA is intolerant.

Good! We should all always be as intolerant of bigotry as humanly possible.

I’m conflicted about this whole issue. On the one hand, a lot of what they are saying makes little to no sense. On the other hand, I argue a lot with theists about what constitutes “atheism” and these guys are a great example of the wide range of beliefs found under that term.
My basic point here is that we can’t start dogmatizing atheism unless we want to end up religious again (or for the first time). I’m seeing words like “disgusting”, “embarrassing”, “morons”, “asshats”, and I don’t think that it’s fair to insult these guys for their philosophical beliefs, however wrong we might feel they are.

Of course, I’m not saying do nothing either. I think that incorrect facts should always be corrected, but not incorrect opinions. “Incorrect opinions” may be oxymoronic, actually. If they are rational(which could go either way) and the arguement is strong (in this case it is), name calling is unnecessary and rude. If they aren’t, the world is full of irrational people and these two are a drop in the bucket.

I just realized, I’ve ignored the fact that supporting homosexuality on a local Atlanta TV station, especially one targeted at black people, would likely lead to a massive drop in ratings. I guess that doesn’t really matter from a philosophical standpoint, but that could be an issue for them.

Once again, we see further proof that atheism is not a movement.

It is first and foremost a lack of belief in god(s). Everything else from that point on is up for grabs.

We always say that on this site, so we shouldn’t be surprised when a group comes out and proves us correct. Isn’t this what we have always said would be the case?

Seems like I recall reading about some white supremacist group here in the south that also claimed to be atheistic.

Thanks for posting this. It should be a reminder for all of the rational, humanistic atheists to be more outspoken.

Sincerely,
ATL-Apostate
(a white atheist, living near Atlanta)

I’ve heard that the black community rejects homosexuality by a much greater margin than anyone else, but I’ve not heard of these explanations.

If homosexuality is genocide, what to they feel about their racial “sisters” having abortions? Do they really think that homosexuality is a choice? Do they think heterosexuality is a choice? Why do they think it’s done to be cool and hip? I don’t understand that idea, who would choose to be socially ostracized as gay if they could chose to be hetero?

While the attitude expressed towards BAA is intolerant.

Are you serious? I guess that means many of us are intolerant of witch-burners, the KKK, Islamic extremists, Christians that burn abortion clinics. Man, we are real assholes. Why can’t we just tolerate psychos.

(I’ll admit it’s true that black people have been victims in some experiments, but that’s the fault of individuals scientists, not science as a process.)

Not science as a process but not just individual scientists. I would say the society allowed/allows treatment of those perceived as outside as less than insiders. This includes most minorities, the poor, prisoners, non-citizens (inside or outside the country).

I commented without watching the whole video. Now that I have, I realize that homophobia is just one part in their multifaceted idiocy. From what I can gather they believe:

– Gay black atheists only become atheists so that they can avoid the condemnation from the black church.
– Homosexuality is a European custom.
– European documents show that “white people” (because, of course, we Europeans only have one culture) are open about homosexuality being a custom. Also a custom? Bestiality (yes, really).
– European culture and African culture (one of, I’m guessing, a total of 4 or 5 cultures in the world) are completely incompatible, so that no European custom can be a part of African customs.
– African traditional culture is communal and based on the rearing and protection of children, while European culture is individualist and based on personal satisfaction.
– The only reasons Egypt attacked Ethiopia was as a favor to that country to warn them that they had to get their act together before the Europeans came. Because (see above) Africa was essentially Pandora from Avatar before the Europeans came.

I am desperately happy to hear that black atheists in Atlanta have a sane alternative to turn to. Hemant, if you’re reading this could you link to this group, so local atheists understand that there is somewhere to go?

nooooooo!

but alas

1. no one group has a monopoly on homophobia so stopped spreading the lie that homophobia is a big problem JUST in the black community. ALL COMMUNITIES have problems with homophobia.

2. I agree with some of the comments, even atheists can be racist, sexist, and homophobic and elitist. While it is true we SHOULD be better than that, but we are humans and are affected by our environment just like everyone else.

3. i am glad we are talking about this

Im taking a different approach to this one. The viewpoints on homosexuality has been stated, so I’ll change it up:

As a black man, I was struck more by the initial points made during their “discussion.”

I’ve always been so completely annoyed, and almost embarrassed by other blacks (usually men) that harp on this notion of a “black nation,” so on and so forth. I dont deny that we have had a rather difficult time in our great nations history, I dont believe anyone (that matters) does. However, while I admit being “token” does get rather old (it’s easy for non-tokens to say it doesn’t matter), this almost separatist like mentality isnt justifiable coming out of the mouths of anyone under 50 in my opinion. Ironically, they (the sr’s) are usually the ones that dont even talk about race in my experiences.

I dont, and probably never will, see how making your race the cornerstone of any issue, while simoulteniously insinuating how “smart,” and “rational” you are by having the word atheist in the title. That is NOT automatic, those traits are DEMONSTRATED and EARNED…Doesnt seem like a very smart or rational means to an end to me, this is 2011. This is not the 60’s and you (all who do this) are NOT Malcom X. At one point in time, there may very well have been a need for representation from both the non-violent, and armed viewpoints. However, we live in a world today that requires a much different tactic. Gone are the days where the victim card actually carried weight.
Having the confidence enough in your own opinion, and in your level of intellect enough to not only spread your beliefs, but to do so on television comes with a certain level of responsibility. The type of personality that believes it’s ok to speak for an entire category of people “black or African” atheists, is a trait which, in my opinion, disqualifies you from ever having your opinion taken seriously. They speak so absolutely about a culture that includes millions, and within said cultures are dozens (hundreds?) of subcultres, on an issue that with a minimal amount of critical thought would say that you couldnt possibly speak for us all.

I’ve attempted to watch them before, and while I was pretty excited to see other black atheists (ESPECIALLY with their own show) I quickly realized that their show wasnt for me. I dont mean to sound arrogant or disrespectful, but from what I saw on the one episode I watched (and this one), none of them seem educated enough about much of anything, for them to be taken seriously anyway. They just repeat the same old soundbites, and arguments that you can read on any atheist blog from years back. Nothing truly new, other than their skin color.

Until they realize that their skin color or heritage isnt enough to base an entire show on, that atheism isnt about “being black in Atlanta,” if they had anything of value to add, “black” wouldnt even be necessary in the title of their show. There is more to this than tired arguments, and using my race as a tool to gain viewers. These men demonstrate that they arent as disconnected from the religious community as they think. The fact that being black seems to be more important to them than the atheist part, is pretty good reflection of how black churches put more weight in that than they do in their scriptures.

What’s the saying? You can take them out the religion, but you cant take the religion out of them.

So in saying all of this. Am I surprised at their viewpoints on homosexuality? Nope…They seem to have a lot of the black church mentality left in them.

One of the things that really irks me about the Religious Right is the constant confusion between the two, the constant push to make “things I don’t like” into “illegal things”.

EVERY group tries to do that. In fact i wonder which group (right or left) has imposed the most laws based purely on “things they don’t like?”

(I actually don’t know the answer, so I’m not asking a leading question.)

As a libertarian, what irks me about the non-religous left is that I fear even more laws that affect my personal freedom than I do from the right.

The real truth is that there is a universal right and wrong, and hatred is wrong. That’s what you are reacting to – something that you know is intrinsically wrong.

Bullshit. Anger is an emotion. Strong anger can turn into hate. Hate stays just an emotion as long as it is not acted upon. Are you suggesting that emotions are wrong?
Oh, and can you please define “universal right” for me? I’m really curious.

As a libertarian,

Of the “taxes are theft” variety?

You know, I expect this kind of nonsense to come from the mouths of bigots… but atheists? We’re supposed to be better than that!

Atheists are a group of people. There is nothing to prevent an atheist from being a bigot. We’re not ‘supposed’ to be better than that. The atheist movements promote being better than that, but being an atheist doesn’t require it. This isn’t a dictionary argument; He’s making an argument; however flawed it may be, to attempt to ‘rationally’ support his position. That’s what ‘being an atheist’ is generally ‘about’ (from what I gather reading all the blog posts I do).

Anyone who’s homophobic is going to create a rationalization to support it based on how they view the world. If someone no longer has religion to base it on, they will come up with another ‘support’ for their position.

I’ve never been a fan of sweeping categorizations; about any group.

They seem to have found something that appeared to support their bigotry and didn’t question it. That’s some form of cognitive bias (I think) but I don’t recall the name of at the moment.

TL;DR : We’re not supposed to be better than that, we TRY to be better than that.

Atheists come in all shapes, sizes and prejudices. So do bigots. The fact that there is overlap between atheists and homophobes is sad, but not unexpected. After all, we keep saying that atheism is simply a lack of belief in a god or gods. There’s nothing in that statement that precludes irrational bias in other areas of a person’s life. I’ve known plenty of homophobic atheists, racist atheists and more than a few sexist atheists.

Bullshit. Anger is an emotion. Strong anger can turn into hate. Hate stays just an emotion as long as it is not acted upon. Are you suggesting that emotions are wrong?
Oh, and can you please define “universal right” for me? I’m really curious.

I said that hatred is wrong, not emotion. for example love is an emotion, and love is good.
You can creatively construct a sentence that you think leads somewhere, add curses, whatever, but why over complicate what I said?

You know exactly what I mean by universal right, no need to explain it further, especially to someone who is being pissy.

Of the “taxes are theft” variety?

No, I ‘render unto Caeser” but the way they are sometimes spent i would certainly consider theft. Such as the bank bailout.

Blacksheep wrote:

Wait – I’ve been told countless times on this site that belief in God, especially the Christian God, is anything from infantile to pure evil.
Also that any thinking, rational, “scientific” person does not believe in God, and that people who accept that there is no God are the sane ones.

When there is evil in Christianity, you say it stems from Christianity.

So now that there is homophobia coming from atheists, you are saying that it has nothing to do with their atheism, but something else.
What about free thought? Are they allowed, as free thinkers, to have opinions? Or is it not free thinking that you advocate but rather adherence to a particular set of rules?

First, I don’t think anyone here thinks the Christian God is any different from any of the other supposed gods out there, so quit the Christian persecution complex.

Second, as opposed to e.g. Christianity, atheism doesn’t have any unifying descriptors or dogma besides a non-belief in gods. Thus any bigotry is purely based on the individual. A Christian might be a bigot (homophobic in this instance) based on personal experience or other reasons, the difference is that he/she also has much of this bigotry backed up by his religious dogma and holy book.
So yes, Christian bigotry can indeed stem from the religion and even if it doesn’t, it’s backed up by it.
The same cannot be said of atheism, since there isn’t anything concerning atheism that touches on the subject of bigotry (like homophobia etc.).
You’re trying the age old trick of likening atheism to a (your) religion. Sorry, no go.
Any bigotry on the part of an atheist fall squarely on their shoulders, not atheism.

Blacksheep wrote:

I said that hatred is wrong, not emotion. for example love is an emotion, and love is good.

Beeeeep, wrong, thank you for playing.
Neither hatred nor love is either wrong or good, they just are.
Love isn’t inherently good, love can lead to obsession, heart break, envy, hatred etc.
They are just emotions, how you ACT on those emotions can be wrong or good, however.

Beeeeep, wrong, thank you for playing.
Neither hatred nor love is either wrong or good, they just are.
Love isn’t inherently good, love can lead to obsession, heart break, envy, hatred etc.
They are just emotions, how you ACT on those emotions can be wrong or good, however.

Word games aside, my point was about something being intrinsically right or wrong – not about the sequence of root emotion vs emotional response. If the response is bad, it’s bad.
And we both know what is meant by “hate is bad, love is good.”

@Jeff:

Sure, I understand the distinction you make between tolerance and acceptance. It is probably correct to state that many Christians “tolerate” homosexuality, but don’t accept it. Just like BAA.

So what? They’re still going to vote down proposals to make gay marriage legal. They’ll still publicly refer to them as “disgusting”. They’ll still spread misinformation and promote bad “science”.

You know what? I can tolerate that. I don’t want to remove their right to be ignorant assholes. I just don’t “accept” their view though, and I will call them out, just like most of the people here. We aren’t going to beat them over the head with a bat. 😛

“It is absurd to divide people into good and bad. People are either charming or tedious.”

I don’t think I will ever be able to overcome my bigotry towards the tedious people.

So how do you define “good” and “bad”?

Different beleif systems have different viewpoints on the specifics of what is good or bad, so it’s a waste of time to dissect those here. As a Christian, I believe that Christ’s teachings on good and bad are a good definition.
But my evidence that there is a universal good and bad comes from what I believe is a shared, deep, conviction on the part of humanity that certain things are simply right or wrong, and I do not believe that those feelings exist as evolutionary adaptations to what is good for society, or chemical reactions that trigger feelings or responses.

I believe, for example, that things like murder, theft, and hatred are planted in men’s hearts as being bad, and one can’t change that by changing one’s religion or belief system.

CS Lewis uses the “cutting in the queue” example where he simply points out that everyone universally gets annoyed if they have been standing in a line and soemone cuts in front of them. Not because they are one space further back, not because they will now be a few minutes later, but because it’s wrong.

Blacksheep,
You are missing the point of the questions that are posed to you. “We both know what is meant” so spectacularly misses the point. The people asking you these questions will demonstrate that you mean something completely different when you use words like right and wrong.

You’re showing a lot of very sloppy thinking here and making assumptions that are incorrect. Slow down and answer those questions sincerely so someone can walk you through the process and show you where you are making mistakes.

You’re showing a lot of very sloppy thinking here and making assumptions that are incorrect.

I’m trying to make quick points to smart people, I disagree.

Slow down and answer those questions sincerely so someone can walk you through the process and show you where you are making mistakes.

Wow – that may be the most arrogant thing I’ve ever heard!

Homosexuality has existed in certain African traditions.

@ Jen

One of the biggest reasons I don’t participate in my local atheist group is because of the homophobic and intolerant views held/expressed by one of the men in particular who holds rotating positions of prominence.

And you are absolutely right, the attitudes are not limited to specific sections of atheists. The only connecting factor for me seems to be the same excuse used. “It’s called free speech.” Oh the irony.

Schmeer,

if looking into your own heart and discerning how you feel and also looking outward at the experiences of others is not evidence for you, I’m sorry for that. It is for me. My job is not to fulfill your request, but to offer honest dialogue.

I’m afraid that what you require as evidence does not exist. Since that’s the case, I understand why you don’t believe.

What you think is sloppy is plain-spoken and clear to me.

I have only heard preachers with graduate degrees preach, but that’s NYC. As for high school education, some of the smartest and most successful people I know never attended college. i don’t believe that college makes someone intelligent, thoughtful, or able to discern right from wrong.

On CS Lewis, we simply disagree. (I also have learned that people on FA don’t like him at all) I know you like to make absolute, definitive comments like “he wasn’t very bright…” and that’s your opinion. Charming how you state it as fact. I’ll bet people love that!

Blacksheep,
I think the point to asking for the evidence was to show that it does not exist. I wasn’t the one asking, so I can only guess.

As for graduate degrees in preaching or religion or theology, that was an intentional insult for all preachers. I think they wasted their time and money studying make-believe.

If you can’t tell the difference between my opinion: CS Lewis wasn’t bright, and fact: he never considers the possibility that Jesus never existed, it certainly explains why you think that your opinion is evidence for anything other than your opinion.

A college degree doesn’t make anyone intelligent. It shows that you might have gotten an education. A degree in being a priest shows that you wasted your time.

Wow, this really pisses me off. And I’m especially pissed off on behalf of the LGBTQ Black community.

BTW, to all commenters who are saying that this is unsurprising given the broadness of atheism… this is true, but besides the point. We, as the subset of atheists who are not homophobic, have a responsibility to call these people out. Because that’s the right thing to do. (And I don’t mean right in the objective morality sense, right in the bettering humanity sense.) Thank you AAA, and Friendly Atheist for doing that.

KD: “Those scientists were white, weren’t they?”

Caller: “Why does that matter?”

KD: “It matters to me because I’m black… if you’re not careful, even science can be racist.”

is that… reverse racism?

It’s one thing to cling to an ignorant viewpoint that has been ingrained into a particular niche in society. It’s wholly another to not recognize that ignorance when provided the information that demonstrates how that ignorant viewpoint is wrong.

I could excuse the ignorance if, when faced with the correct information, they apologized and corrected their error. Rather, they’ve chosen to attempt to silence their critics by disabling ratings and comments wherever possible (FB, YT, etc.).

Apparently, they’re not familiar with the Streisand Effect.

FAIL! OMG, that’s crazy. He’s a homophobic conspiracy theorist!? How did he get a hosting position on that show LOL

Yay, Friendly Atheist! Thanks for speaking up about this screw up in Atlanta!

They look to me like old-style black nationalists, in the mold of the Nation of Islam or the United Nuwaubian Nation of Moors. Conspiracy theories, check, bizarre racial nonsense, check, homophobia-check! Same old idiocy dressed up as atheism, presumably it was deemed time for a makeover over at the Nuwaubian nation’s offices, perhaps someone suggested they might be becoming irrelevant. Shock horror.

These guys do not represent Black or African-American thought conclusively in this country. This homophobia is not FreeThought but a gross distortion of it. They are entirely in denial about homosexuality in the Black community. These guys are as bad as racists in the White South. They are bigots and belie everything that FreeThought represents. It may be that this is a concerted effort to undermine FreeThought by destroying the fabric of understanding and legitimate tolerance in the U.S. by attacking homosexuals. They are spewing the same line as the white fundamentalist community and may as well be thought of as being the same.

When they say that science can be racist, this is a denial of the scientific process, this is a gross misunderstanding of what science does. It is not racist but investigative and empirical and takes no social sides. These guys don’t really know the African way because Africa is not unilateral and Africans are not in lockstep as to what they espouse. These guys have changed their affiliation with one religion to join another, a mythical Pan-Africanism which does not exist.

This is the greatest example of not all atheists being intelligent!

Okay…since when did the black church have an issue with homosexuality? I have not fooled with the church in a very long time but I grew up in it and as I recall, it was not at all uncommon for the organist, the pianist or the choir director to be flaming! Can I can an AMEN?

And what is this AFRICAN CUSTOM stuff.

Oh…like cutting off the clitoris of girls in a custom of the entire continent of AFRICA..right?

Or all AFRICAN men have multiple wives…or ALL African nations sold or traded their neighboring tribesmen for baubles, beads and rum? Give me a break fellows.

First of all…homosexuality is not the majority of any culture, black, white or asian. Homosexuality however is found in ALL cultures and that is certainly not anything new.

And by the way…MACHO AFRICAN MEN…while you’re busy with all that macho peter wagging…did it ever occur to you that if AFRICAN men were so dang macho in the first place, their women, children, land and own rear ends might not have ended up stolen or colonized by the white man? Where was all that testosterone when it was needed! Colonization translates to getting your own behind kicked in your own dang house and having it taken from you…oh and having you wait on your massah while he occupies it!

So was it a bunch of European homos that kicked yalls macho African butts? lol…you guys are a cartoon at best!

You don’t speak for all black atheist…it is clear that your historical study of Africa is limited if at all and I personally think you’re just a couple of those old school ‘We-dont’ coloreds… WE don’t molest kids or rape women, ‘We don’t be no serial killers”…We don’t…blah, blah, blah, blah, blah!

James Brown wrote a song about it…like to heah it…heah it go…”Talkin loud and sayin nothin…and sayin nothin…and sayin nothin…”.

Signed…lol…black, straight , atheist, homo-sexual friend having/loving sistah in Scottsdale!

Oh and Bloomc…please hush with that ridiculous reverse discrimination fantasy. White folk discriminating has nothing to do with anything that anyone has ever done to them. And I have countless numbers of years of history to prove it. Many people have sung Kumbaya while white folk were wearing them out. You sound like Rodney King! ‘Can’t we…(you know the rest)

Their status of being atheist is really just a mask to the true nature of their rant. To me their rant is essentially racist in nature not some misrepresentation or affront of the Atheist community, what everyone is making it out to be. From the outside looking in, I’m sure it looks bad from a popular view but who cares, it not like we atheists are proselytizing our worldview.

It’s also pretty clear to me that they are trying to use the atheist term to mask their racism and make it appear that they are more logical, than conservative religious people. It seems as though they view homosexuality as a result of White culture (which they try to mask by calling it European/Greco-Roman and make it appear as though they are talking about ancient civilizations) that divides African-American communities, thus gay African-Americans are wrong because they are separating themselves from the African-American community.

You just have to sift through their bullshit to get to the root of the problem. As someone who is a lesbian, atheist, African-American I have had first-hand experience with individual’s feeling as though they need to continue and maintain the strength of the African-American community. Unfortunately, more often than not ingroup members often push away any attitudes or lifestyles that are a perceived threaten to it’s cultural strength and cohesion.

But that’s just my two cents, feel free to disagree.

@Meesh_elle… Well said 🙂 they are not only confusing issues but also making both groups look bad (Atheist and African-Americans) made me a little disappointed to in either category with them until I remembered that those categories don’t matter and that you can have imbecile from any background with any label behind them. (and about being a black, non-religous, homo… 🙂 it upsets the balance sooo much) we’ll never hear the end of it from homophobic relatives or over zealous religous types who claim our way of life threatens their own 🙁

Sadly, neither am I.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality#Africa
Derp.

Is this an atheist website? Y’all talking about “universal morality” and ” what’s right”… Since when are atheists moral representatives and police… What standard of “right and wrong” are you using? What doctrine? Sounds like masked Christianity to me… Atheism is not a belief system!

You are one of the most articulate and sensible minds I have heard since I decided to join and network with other atheists groups. I, too admire the courage this group has shown. Afrikans have been assaulted for centuries and this is the latest. Thanks again for speaking what is termed “truth to power”.

Are you weeping for the children of those that are homosexuals? Maybe  you weren’t aware, two homo couples don’t have children together….that’s why they are homo. They prey on hetero/normal children;  You sound as confused as your name, dude.

Question did greek society believe in homosexuality be it adult with adult or adult with  child. Isn’t westertern civilaztion based on greek society? Does  to humans of the same sex reproduce? if  i’m against homosexuallity i’m i homophobic or are people attempting to shame me into being quiet by saying i’m homophobic? what is the definition of racism? Does Africa American  means africa is the land of there ancestors?  I ask these question cause we commit without no historical background or thought.  Last question athiest is a greek term give to the Greek philospries Where was the greek philospries educated at?The answer to that will tell u where athietism came from.

And yes, thinking that two gay people kissing are “icky” does fall under the category of being homophobic. You need to cast off the shackles that society has burdened you with and be more open-minded.

My child, you pretty much just confirmed what a lot of people already know and say about atheists. Atheists have no morals. And whether it is true or not, you certainly offered a lot of ammo for people who say that without God there is no morality.

I’m thinking that actually you don’t know a whole lot of atheists in person. I do, and the majority of them do in fact agree that there is such a thing as universal morality. This is ingrained into us as human beings, and has nothing to do with ghosts in the sky. It kinda sounds like you have ventured your first foray into atheism, you are still possibly reeling from being struck down and abused by whatever religion you were raised with, and you are trying your hardest to be rebellious. Please grow the hell up.

By the way, please calm down, breathe, and come back when you can discuss like a grown-up without cursing someone out.

stupid ass opinion but you have a right to say it people are attracted to who they are attracted to if that happens to be a same sex person a person of opposite sex a person that is a different race, religion, or culture than you then that HAPPENS why does it have to be some deep thing? why do you need scientific proof of it? instances of homosexuality also happen among animals the point is who gives a f*ck? who does this affect aside from the people engaging in the homosexual encounters? nobody and wtf is law of reproduction? All it takes is a simple click to google typing in “the law of reproduction” and i guarantee yo won’t find shit but this 
http://rhoadestoreality.wordpress.com/2011/11/06/silly-arguments-the-law-of-reproduction/ yes, we all know you need an egg and a sperm to reproduce as humans, but what about those species that reproduce asexually? hmm? where does your “law of reproduction” come into play there? step back and reevaluate your argument sir or madam cause this one is not strong enough