Reporters Witness a Christian Pastor Molesting Women at Demon-Banishing Service

He looks like a scumbag, too. A machete is too good for this guy, fingering women in front of everybody. He is a monster.

What the… this is… I don’t… but he… FUCK.

I normally use satire and mockery in my posts but this one is simply too disturbing to warrant ridicule.

How loud does ‘faith’ have become to completely silence common sense? How can such extreme abuse not raise suspicion? Is there no atrocity a ‘faithful’ person can witness that will elicit disgust?

http://thirdworldnetwork.org/forum/MGalleryItem.php?id=144

This… this is the most disgusting thing I’ve read in months.

I think it’s even worse than the molestations committed by Catholic priests – this was done in the open with a crowd of onlookers, who allowed it to happen because they believed it’s God’s work.

wow, really? wow.

I’m actually not surprised seeing as how this is coming from Africa… don’t Christians there burn people alive for witchcraft?

In all seriousness, that guy’s fingernails are LONG. OUCH.

The whole thing makes me nauseous. Absolutely sick with rage.

From their website: “Through faith people are healed from different illnesses such as those that affect Vuvuzelas (males organs), Biscuits (female organs), pains, rush, sores and other sickness. Even more miracles happen in this church where people have been healed from giving birth to snakes, snails and other creatures. Through the power of the Lord even more miracles are happening in every service where evil spirits, bad luck and other unholy forces are defeated and cast away.”

I know it’s counterintuitive to say, but they seem extra-crazy. He seems to be a spiritual gyno or something. Ick.

My point is, no one does anything despicable like this in the name of the absence of god.

That is a profoundly incorrect statement, and shows very little knowledge of history. (No need even to expound).

(By the way, If any atheists here want to put a posse together to go to Africa and kick that guys ass, I’m in. You’ll need a token Christian for the full effect).

Blacksheep says:
That is a profoundly incorrect statement, and shows very little knowledge of history. (No need even to expound).

Bullshit. Don’t even go there, and fall back on the Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao excuses. These guys did plenty of evil, but it was in the name of their own regimes, and the desire to deify themselves; religion got in the way of absolute power; so they tried to get rid of it. None did it in the name of atheism.

I have yet to see an atheist perform the sick acts of the above mentioned in the name of no supernatural beings.

Now I need a sick-bag.

None did it in the name of atheism.

I think this to be technically true. However, I also think it true that those atheists mentioned it did those terrible things in the name of the state which becomes the pseudo-god as highest power in the communist/atheist cosmology.

In other words, they did it in the name of an ideology, which was, by definition, an ideology that included atheism.

Not much better imo.

Hope you feel better soon.

To use a term many Psychologists use, this guy is ABSOLUTELY INSANE. HE IS MENTAL.

Nordog says:
In other words, they did it in the name of an ideology, which was, by definition, an ideology that included atheism.

Not much better imo.

Hope you feel better soon.

Bollocks. You’re talking in circles. Communism formed from ideas people thought up. Religion came up from… oh, sorry..

It’s still the same.

Torture and rape are BAD things, and one cannot excuse them with the voice of religion.

And I feel fine.

@Nordog — Thank you, I think.

I’m not sure which I want to do worst: Puke, or cut of both of his hands with a rusty machete….

I would go with “puke,” cause this machete bloodlust is really a nauseating, dehumanizing stance to take.

@elricthemand and Nordog and Blacksheep:

I’m willing to go even further and say that it is impossible for anyone to commit any act (evil or otherwise) because of atheism.

Atheism contains absolutely no prescription for behavior and no ethical or political framework. It answers one question and one question only: “Do you believe in god(s)?”

Any other question, including “How did you come to that conclusion?” requires other philosophical positions to come into play.

I’m willing to go even further and say that it is impossible for anyone to commit any act (evil or otherwise) because of atheism.

Any act? You mean like start a blog, or found an organization dedicated to freedom from religion, or file a legal action to protect constituional rights, or establish clubs for students, et cetera?

Your point may, perhaps, possess a certain rhetorical charm, but in the end it is, well, silly. To persist in the notion is either willful distortion, or irrational.

Really, there’s something like a heartbeat inside a human? Well, it must be magic, then.

You’re right Blacksheep, the Soviet Union, North Korea, Nazi Germany, and China’s problem is that there is too much skepticism, too much freethinking, and far too much of evidence based reasoning. Entirely too many questions are being asked, and if we could replace all of this excess thinking with dogmatic belief in divine magic then we’d certainly be on the right track.

*eyeroll*

I stand corrected.
I must of missed that sentence in their Atheism causes evil ramblings.

You’re right Blacksheep, the Soviet Union, North Korea, Nazi Germany, and China’s problem is that there is too much skepticism, too much freethinking, and far too much of evidence based reasoning. Entirely too many questions are being asked, and if we could replace all of this excess thinking with dogmatic belief in divine magic then we’d certainly be on the right track.

I never said it made sense – just that it happened!

I stand corrected.
I must of missed that sentence in their Atheism causes evil ramblings.

Yes, it’s obvious that you have missed much here, but you haven’t let that prevent you from filling the void of your attention with your presumptions.

Regarding my opinion of this guy in South Africa, cf. my comment on WMDKitty’s posting. (WMDKitty, it was meant as both a compliment and an endorsement.)

Regarding atheism causing evil; didn’t say that and don’t believe that.

Regarding your charge of trolling, Freud called that “projection”.

I realize that being a nihilist doesn’t necessarily make one a rational freethinker, but you really should at least give it a try.

Blacksheep,

However, (get your sick bag ready Bronwyn) history has proven that while societies who claim to be based on Christianity commit evil acts, it pales astronomically to the almost unlimited evil heaped upon gullible victims by societies who claim to be based on atheism/humanism.

I’m sorry, but this is just ridiculous. Based on atheism? Where are these societies that claim to be based on atheism? Every totalitarian dictatorship I’ve ever heard of has been based on political ideology. And you’re really claiming that “unlimited evil” only comes from societies with atheist leaders? Hitler was no atheist. He and his loyal followers carried out their unspeakable acts in Christian Germany. If anything can be described as “unlimited evil,” surely the Holocaust qualifies.

The world has seen many genocides carried out by people with a strong belief in the supernatural. It seems incredibly odd to assert that Christianity (or any other religion) somehow makes totalitarian dictators less likely to slaughter others. Even if they’re not killing in the name of their religion, they’re killing in order to further their political agenda. Those actions are identical for both theist and atheist leaders. Atheism was not the driving force behind Stalin’s actions anymore than theism was the driving force behind Hitler’s. Their beliefs about the supernatural neither caused nor prevented their actions. They carried out those actions for personal and political gain.

Bronwyn,

Don’t even go there, and fall back on the Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao excuses.

Not that it even matters, but while Pol Pot did not believe in a god, he did believe in the supernatural.

“Pol Pot does not believe in God but he thinks that heaven, destiny, wants him to guide Cambodia in the way he thinks it the best for Cambodia, that is to say, the worst. Pol Pot is mad, you know, like Hitler.” – Prince Norodom Sihanouk

Of course, it’s irrelevant, but it raises an interesting question. Why doesn’t anyone ever blame the atrocities of dictators on their belief in the supernatural? If Stalin’s and Mao’s atheism is blamed for their atrocities, can’t Pol Pot’s belief in heaven and destiny also be blamed?

This back and forth reminded me of a dicussion me and Robert W and Claudia and some others had a while back.
older thread

The world has seen many genocides carried out by people with a strong belief in the supernatural. It seems incredibly odd to assert that Christianity (or any other religion) somehow makes totalitarian dictators less likely to slaughter others. Even if they’re not killing in the name of their religion, they’re killing in order to further their political agenda. Those actions are identical for both theist and atheist leaders. Atheism was not the driving force behind Stalin’s actions anymore than theism was the driving force behind Hitler’s. Their beliefs about the supernatural neither caused nor prevented their actions. They carried out those actions for personal and political gain.

So let’s agree not to blame theism or atheism for atrocities.

If I may, I do not think it is beside the point at all! In fact, this is the point I was making!

I am an atheist. But I did not wake up one morning and decide that the atheist ideology was superior to the theist ideology and thus I would not believe in gods. Atheism, to me, is the end result of building up my view of the world on skepticism, evidence based reasoning, and caring about whether the beliefs I hold map back to reality in a testable way. As an atheist, it isn’t my goal to make everyone around me an atheist. I think everyone would be better off if they stopped believing in magical nonsense and chose to ground their beliefs in reality, but the goal isn’t to push an ideology on you. The goal is to push good thinking, as I am confident that that is where my conclusion on the god question arises from.

I absolutely agree with you on what the state sponsored religion of these various regimes were. But equating the ideology of totalitarianism and state mandated belief systems with a person who is advocating skepticism and evidence based reasoning doesn’t make any sense.

That’s why I say that I think you’re ignoring the salient features of these regimes. As I’ve quoted previously from “The God that Failed” (wiki article about book)

Communist absolutists did not so much negate religion, in societies that they well understood were saturated with faith and superstition, as seek to replace it. The solemn elevation of infallible leaders who were a source of endless bounty and blessing; the permanent search for heretics and schismatics; the mummification of dead leaders as icons and relics; the lurid show trials that elicited incredible confessions by means of torture…none of this was was very difficult to interpret in traditional terms. Nor was the hysteria during times of plague and famine, when the authorites unleashed a mad search for any culprit but the real one. Nor was the ceaseless invocation of the a “Radiant Future”, the arrival of which would one day justify all crimes and dissolve all petty doubts…

These people gleefully exploited the fact that supernatural beliefs and superstitious institutions had tilled the ground that they treaded on. People like Stalin didn’t come into power and then maniacally giggle about how they’d finally done it, they could now force non-belief in deities on everyone! What a perfectly ridiculous picture to paint. Stalin sought to build himself into something of a living god. Part of that process was the elimination of competing religious figures like the orthodox church, but make no mistake, Stalin did not want critical thinking or evidence based reasoning. He wanted dogmatic adherence to to his own twisted religion.

Late to come back to the party. Had to work.

I wish I had all the time in the world to study every society, but i can only manage an overview for the most part, which is much more than the knee-jerkers who like to proclaim atheism is the problem.

It’s not, so much as self-deification by self-aggrandizing leaders, and YOU WILL DIE if you disagree, whether you are sick-fuck one or two. It’s about power over, and that usually has some kind of repression involved. To point at these kinds of regimes and bleat that it was all due to atheism is false. It was about consolidating power, and making the people act the way you want by force and threat. I don’t find new (or Gnu) atheists wanting to do this, and I find the argument old and full of holes.

Oh, and thanks for your advice for me t get a new sickbag; your concern is noted.

I get sick every time someone tries to prop up everything from religion to stupid new age crap instead of good medicine and government based on superstition like the OP. I get sick when I hear about children being mutilated or burned because they are witches; check it out on youtube. I get sick when I hear government meetings in my country (USA) start with a prayer.

I don’t need a bag other than the figurative kind.

You want a world filled with superstition and fallacy? It will be a bad world to live in. I want a world based on reality, and kindness to my fellow humans and reason. I think we can do it but it won’t be easy.

You want a world filled with superstition and fallacy? It will be a bad world to live in. I want a world based on reality, and kindness to my fellow humans and reason. I think we can do it but it won’t be easy.

You’re right – it won’t be easy. One could begin by looking at the underlying beliefs of societies on earth that have the highest degree of kindness to fellow human beings.

Blacksheep,

You need to actually read the thread to see how the conversation evolved. My point, which I clarified, is that the greatest amount of evil done to the greatest number of human beings has happened within societies who hold atheism to be their national religion

I did read the thread, and your assertion is exactly what I am disputing. I would say the “greatest amount of evil” is not limited to body count, although you’re obviously pointing to that as a way to discredit “atheist” societies. The leaders of some of these societies may have been atheists, but they did not kill in the name of atheism. They killed in order to further their political agenda. You seem to ignore the fact that one of the most infamous dictatorships, indeed, perhaps the most evil regime of all, came to power in Germany. The Holocaust is notable because it happened in a Christian society in the 20th century and was carried out by people who were most definitely not atheists.

I never said that the worst atrocities were “carried out by atheists” – it was always about atheist societies.

There is no such thing as an “atheist society.” I defy you to find one country on earth in which belief in the supernatural was completely eradicated by a totalitarian dictator. There have only been dictators who sought to eradicate religion because it conflicted with their political power grab. Of course, those same dictators have always been happy to collude with religious authorities if it suits their interests (see Hitler, Pinochet, etc.) but if not, they are only too happy to eliminate their rivals. It’s a matter of politics, not religion.

Mboro is a shona word for penis

In the name of the Father…the Creator and in the Son…my Redeemer… and the Holy Spirit…sent to make us holy people, with the ability to resist evil in the world, I now declare all these evil spiritual Businesses a Lethal injection to our spiritually naive society and i urge all Catholics to switch off their minds and hearts…if not their eyes and mouths…to all the hulabaloo of our times…it shall all come to pass in the latter days…these pastors are making atheists to have something to talk about…it SICK!!!

Did someone try and find out why this guy calls himself mboro? Where is the police?