Rapture Day at Wichita State University March 22, 2011

Rapture Day at Wichita State University

You know how the Bible says the Rapture is coming on May 21st?

According to [Family Radio founder Harold] Camping’s prediction, the Rapture will happen exactly 7,000 years from the date that God first warned people about the flood. He said the flood happened in 4990 B.C., on what would have been May 21 in the modern calendar. God gave Noah one week of warning.

Since one day equals 1,000 years for God, that means there was a 7,000-year interval between the flood and rapture.

“We hope that anyone would get a Bible out and try and prove that this is wrong,” he said.

But, as we all know, the Bible is never wrong. Therefore, these billboards must be true:

Let your Christian friends defend that craziness…

Anyway, one campus atheist group is capitalizing on all the crazy.

The Air Capital Skeptics (SkeptICT) at Wichita State University is holding a free mini-conference of sorts that day.

It’s called Rapture Day.

We are putting this event on for two primary reasons. The first and most important is to have some fun and let other secular thinkers in the area know that they are definitely are not alone. The second is to help educate people on the nature and history of these types of claims and help expose how this fatalistic thinking is a danger to our modern society.

Speakers include Blair Scott (Communications Director for American Atheists), Dr. Darrel W. Ray (author of The God Virus), author/philosopher Richard Carrier, JT Eberhard (high school campus organizer for the Secular Student Alliance), and others.

The event is free to attend, but pre-registration is appreciated.

It’s really a fantastic way to respond to sheer nonsense.

They should’ve made it a two-day conference, though. Just to make it last through the “Rapture”… 🙂

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  • Lisa Paulaharju

    Will there be a follow-up conference on Oct. 21? 🙂

  • Richard Wade

    I hereby declare May 22, 2011 Laugh at Lame Rationalizations and Excuses Day.

  • God gave Noah one week of warning.

    Since one day equals 1,000 years for God, that means there was a 7,000-year interval between the flood and rapture.

    Even if we ignore the religious insanity here, there’s at least three actual factual errors in that bit:

    1. There is nowhere in any scripture anywhere saying how long it took Noah to build the ark. Genesis 6:3 makes it pretty clear that god gave mankind 120 years of time to clean up his act before he sent the flood. At some point in that time, he found Noah and told him to build the ark.

    2. Saying that the Rapture comes a week (or 7000 years) after the flood has no basis in scripture whatsoever. It’s just nonsense pulled out of their ass.

    3. Where, exactly, did they get 1 god-day = 1000 man-years? I mean, yeah, okay, 2 Peter 3:8, but that’s taken entirely out of context. Peter wasn’t writing about the relative time perception differences between man and god. He was telling the Israelites that a promise is a promise and if god made a promise then it will be kept when god damn well wants to keep it, whether it be in a day or in a thousand years.

    This last one showcases a problem with a lot of fundamentalist thinking, they’re not reading the thing as it should be read, as a whole, but instead as bits and pieces out of context. 2 Peter is a *letter*, and should be read as a whole thing, not as a series of disconnected statements.

  • Jose Diaz-Marin

    I will be celebrating like a real heathen… dancing around a huge bonfire on the beach, to the rhythm of R.E.M.’s “Is the end of the World as we know it”…

  • J.

    We were planning a Rehearsal Party for 2012, that day.

  • Blacksheep

    Otto,

    Even if we ignore the religious insanity here, there’s at least three actual factual errors in that bit:

    I listen to camping sometimes and have heard him try to explain his reasoning. I am a Christian, and to me it makes no sense whatsoever, for reasons along the lines of what you observed, it’s just bad numerology at best.

  • anti_supernaturalist

    Honest predictions vs rapturous lies

    • Science makes predictions.

    On the Net today appear the precise time, precise duration, exact places on the Earth from which the next 50 years of total solar eclipses will be visible. These formerly terrifying events — a monster eating the sun — were tamed by accurate astronomical theory. Now, total solar eclipses have become a tourist attraction.

    Current geology, however, cannot predict precisely when a still terrifying event, a killer quake, will hit LA. It can offer no better than a probable, but meaningful prediction — there is a better than 90% chance that an earthquake of magnitude 6.7 or greater will strike LA within the next 30 years.

    Being a meaningful empirical prediction, the statement provides — in advance — its own parameters for failure. It specifies a time limit, it specifies the minimum severity expected, and it provides an estimated probability for the event.

    Nevertheless, we know that a killer quake must happen eventually since LA floats atop a boundary between two tectonic plates grinding past one another. (That is — an LA earthquake will happen perforce as a physical consequence according to the well-attested ‘theory’ of plate tectonics.)

    • Religion’s baseless prophecies.

    Contrast an empty gesture of xian fiction — its most ballyhooed, long anticipated “fulfillment” of scripture. Jesus in his featured role as Christ-Cosmic-Avenger® will return to Earth, raise the dead, judge all humanity past and present, and send each person to her or his ultimate, eternal state of being.

    Ask fundies; they’ll tell you that this prophecy is 100% certain. “The Apocalypse” must happen; it is a core dogma of fundie bibliolatry. (Moreover, ancient credal statements still mouthed by xians of all stripes every day, reaffirm the centrality of revenge as xian motivation.) Millions of otherwise outwardly sane people in the US believe this dishonest, harmful nonsense, quite literally.

    On what non-scriptural basis can their claim be justified? Not even an alleged “holy” text can justify its own statements.

    • Prophesying is lying

    Prophecy never predicts anything because prophecies lack falsifying conditions. Under what conditions — specifiable in advance — would a fundie say that a xian prophecy had failed?

    “The Apocalypse” just never shows up. Attempts to fix a date for xian/jewish/zoroastrian apocolypses have proved wrong for the last 3,200 years. (See Norman Cohn. Cosmos, chaos, and the world to come. Yale.)

    When is enough is enough? Never. The revelation of saint John the divine resonates as one core Big Lie of xian faith-based irrationality.

    Just remember, though, that the “End Times” are always upon us because “signs” like earthquakes and total solar eclipses demonstrate the willed and willful “acts of God” in nature.

    Is the “Rapture” about to rid Earth of all fundies? Really? As they levitate away, can they take their damned bibles with them?

    There are altogether no supernatural phenomena, only supernatural interpretations of phenomena.

    the anti_supernaturalist

  • Stephanie

    Am I the only one who glanced at the billboard and read ‘ediblefellowship.com’?

    For a second this particular whackjob group was infinitely more interesting to me than the other doomsday cults…

  • Richard Wade

    Stephanie,
    Yeah, I read it that way too. Then I was disappointed when I looked more carefully. An edible Bible? Good idea, since these clowns are going to have to eat their words.

  • We’re planning a “Left Behind” bash here in Des Moines to celebrate all the rapture whackos finally being taken away to heaven and leaving us alone!

    The plan is to party like there’s no tomorrow. Which there will be…

    Des Moines Left Behind party

  • Luie

    Seeing the 2 dates on the billboard (May 21st & October 21st), I’m a little confused into how they got the separation of 5 months. Because, according to their logic, 1 god-day is 1000 years. This means there are 84,000 months in 1 god-week (or 12,000 a day). So using so rudimentary math this leads us to 5 man-months (from rapture to the end of the world) out of the 12,000 months in a god-day, the 5 man-months would equal about .000416 god-months (My math may be off, and I’d welcome corrections). Where is that figure in the bible?

    If we go on 5 god-months (at 4 god-weeks per god-month to make it simple) it’s 20,000 years before the end of the world. Suddenly it seems like that wouldn’t serve their purpose to have people thinking they have 20 millennia before they have to worry about the end.

    Obviously it’s all nonsense, but I think we’ll see an uptick in this type of stuff with all of the natural disasters that are happening lately.

  • “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.”
    -Jesus, in Matthew 24:36 New International Version.

  • Richard P.

    But about that day or hour no one knows

    Of course no one knows, because it’s not going to happen. Dolt.

    To bad too, the world would be a much nicer place.

  • I will note in passing that the domain ebiblefellowship.com is currently due to expire 18-Feb-2012. It seems they overpaid their registrar since the End of the World will be in October this year. Or maybe they’re just hedging their bets.

  • Jeff

    I also thought it said “edible”.

    Meanwhile – only two more months, and they’ll all be gone? That’s something worth praying for!

  • The Seattle-based “Ask An Atheist” radio (and former public-access TV) show has started a “Countdown to backpedaling”, i.e what will begin on May 22nd, and they have a website up on http://www.wecantknow.com (in contrast to some billboards claiming “we can know” )

  • Am I merely cynical for believing that this is all about getting people into church around this date so they can fleece the sheeple of their money? ‘Cos you never know, right?

  • CanadianNihilist

    Anyone else going to a may 22 “the worlds not ending” party?

  • Vanessa

    Growing up religious, I was always under the impression that God transcends time. So how 1 god-day can equal 1000 years makes even less sense.

  • Robster

    Yeah, it did look like “Am I the only one who glanced at the billboard and read ‘ediblefellowship.com’?”
    Is it a new high fibre diet? Perhaps for the first ever time, a fellowship will do some one some good by assisting with regularity. To make the fellowship more popular and a more healthy option, the edible fellowship could come in lo-fat, lo-salt versions, while Maccas et al could develop a saturated fat offering in a bun with mayo. Hmm, there much opportunity here…Does fellowship mean the ladies can’t be involved?

  • Dan W

    I’ll be waiting to hear the excuses these fundies make on May 22 for why their rapture predictions were wrong again. Here’s a list of a few previous end of the world predictions that failed:
    http://www.bible.ca/pre-date-setters.htm

  • Cornius Caesar

    October 21, 2011 also happens to be my 30th birthday… End of the world indeed…

  • Bargain

    This is just silly

  • I recently interviewed a former follower of Harold Camping. He really bought into the 1994 prediction. Now he is still a wacky fundy Christian, but no longer a Camping follower. Here is a link to my interview with him.
    -Staks

  • Sarah

    I too thought it said ediblefellowship. Yummy.

  • Sarah

    I too thought it said ediblefellowship. Yummy.

  • I reckon all Atheists should go dark on May 22nd. Let them think for a moment that it was we who got raptured not them. That should scare them for a little while.

    Anyway, I yet again call:
    Apocalypse or STFU

  • Cyberguy

    Marcus wrote: “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.” – Jesus, in Matthew 24:36 New International Version.

    Interesting. I thought the Trinity meant that Jesus the Son WAS God the Father. So how come God (the Son) does not know what God (the Father) knows? Is he not omniscient?

    Sounds like a bad case of multiple personality disorder to me!

  • Bob

    When the Rapture doesn’t take place, could these ‘believers’ do us a favor and just go away anyway?

  • OverlapingMagisteria

    “We hope that anyone would get a Bible out and try and prove that this is wrong.”

    Ooh! Oooh! I know! Matthew 24:34 says that the end of the world/second coming happens within Jesus’s generation! Therefore, the Bible says that the rapture and everything already happened!

    What do I win?

  • Blacksheep

    Hover,

    Am I merely cynical for believing that this is all about getting people into church around this date so they can fleece the sheeple of their money? ‘Cos you never know, right?

    I might agree with you except that Camping’s philosophy is that the “church age is over” (since the 1980’s) and that anyone attending a church now is doomed, etc.

    (However I’m sure he wouldn’t turn down donations to his Family Radio broadcast).

  • On May 22, 2011, people need to start emailing the website laughing at them.

  • Anonymous

    Ok, I’ve had just about enough of this End Times fuckery. I was nervously waiting for this to happen – now a mother has tried to kill her 2 kids and herself because she thought the world was coming to an end.
    http://doctore0.wordpress.com/2011/03/22/mom-tries-to-kill-kids-self-before-tribulation-comes/

    Enough with Glenn Beck and all these stupid pastors!

  • littlejohn

    I spent yesterday loading a couple of tons of topsoil into my raised garden beds, one wheelbarrowful at a time.
    Yesterday was “Rupture Day.”

  • John

    I see ads all over LA for Christian “family” radio trumping up the Judgment Day coming on May 21.

    My real question is whether or not the stations are still selling advertising time for the 22nd and beyond. Because, you know, it should be cheap…

  • SWare

    Reminds me of a recent favorite Facebook event invite I was sent. See you all in 2013! http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=230813581583

    But seriously, how do these people sincerely believe they have it any more “right” than the heaven’s gaters chasing the tail of a passing comet via group suicide?

  • Kevin Benko

    Concerning the date:

    Did any of these godsy-people take the whole Julian calendar change-over into account?

    If they missed that not-so-little bit of bookkeeping, then they’ve shown that they’re not so rigorous and bright to begin with, hmmm?

  • I saw a bus ad today! In the San Francisco Bay Area of all places. I was really hoping the craziness hadn’t spread here. It’s so… unseemly. We’re not even used to people peddling “normal” religion on the sides of buses, let alone these extreme doomsday cults.

  • kayla

    ok i am a christian and do believe one day the world will end but i dont know where he got his info.. must be readin a different bible than me…????

  • kayla

    ok i am a christian and do believe one day the world will end

    Why?

    but i dont know where he got his info.. must be readin a different bible than me…????

    I think that the problem is that he read the bible and took it seriously.