Can You Say Something Nice About Christians?

We gnaw endlessly on the counter-examples, but the fact is that many Christians do indeed exemplify the selfless altruism and fellowship of humanity that “being a good Christian” is supposed to mean.

In general? No.

As individuals, yes. I can think of no finer example of what christians are or should be than Jimmy Carter. Too bad that the individuals are far outweighed by the others.

Rene Descarte revolutionised philosophy. Galileo founded modern science. Newton & Leubniz came up with calculus.

Christians are very community-focused, and initiate, promote, and participate in myriad activities that help others and improve upon their surroundings.

I absolutely believe this to be true of the vast majority of Christians. There is a percentage that only benefits other Christians or new converts… but the vast majority of their charity work accomplishes excellent things for affected populations, regardless of religious conviction or lack thereof.

It is a shame that those very few who commit atrocities or heavily discriminate in the name of “charity” are the ones most talked about and thought of when discussing Christian activities.

(My perspective is in part influenced by the overwhelming [or maybe just whelming?] acceptance I have received from better than 99% of the Christians I’ve ever known, despite my outspoken and unabashed atheism. I have [perhaps unusually, and luckily] never been treated in any way I did not appreciate by a Christian who I’d spoken with at length. Well, at least with any people where religion entered the conversation enough to where I could confirm their preference as Christian.)

Most Christians seem genuinely concerned about the state of other people’s souls. I’m fairly certain we don’t have them, but it’s nice to think that, in light of the fact that they think we do have souls, they care what happens to them.

I also appreciate that some Christians know when it’s best to selectively ignore their Bibles (i.e. slavery, treatment of women, execution of gays).

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Christians have a strong & well-developed sense of community. They truly understand the human need for connection with like-minded people. Communities are successful when the members are:
* intergenerational
* playing together
* eating together
* learning together
* sharing sorrow
* celebrating successes & milestones
* working together to achieve a common goal
* lending a helping hand to each other
Atheists could learn a lot, as a community, from their fine example.

I think it’s not only annoying, but kind of sweet that a Christian might try to convert someone to “save” them from an eternal punishment for doing absolutely nothing wrong.

And not only that, but a lot of Christians that I know don’t even believe that hell exists. There are quite a lot of the more reasonable and kind Christians out there.

And that’s uh, all I’ve got for now. I just wish more people would be as dsgusted as I am with the “bad” believers, and that the “good” believers would stop identifying with them.

The vast majority of Christians are better than the God they worship.

Let me explain. I define better as being accepting by giving communion (and quarter) to those that you are opposed to. For example, the vast majority of Christians will not throw their atheist children out of their house and tell them never to again be in their presence. Contrast this to the notion of God held by many of those same Christians. They believe that God will not tolerate atheists in His presence in the kingdom of heaven.

(Admittedly it was slightly snarky, but I still am thankful that most Christians are better in this way)

I tend away from sweeping generalizations in any case.

I’ve only been a confirmed atheist for a few years now but was raised as a fundamentalist christian. Most of my friends and family are christians and I truly live in one of the most christian areas of the US – Oklahoma. Imho, most I know are kind, decent people who are sincerely deluded by the teachings and culture of their religion. And, most of those who know I am an atheist still love me, still respect me, but are genuinely baffled by my choices. (and some are curious enough to talk with me about it on the sly)

There are millions of nice things I could say about individual Christians, but I feel odd trying to say something nice about them in general, because, like Hitchens points out, anything nice about Christians can be nice about atheists as well. There’s no good property that o’s the sole providence of Christians.

The closest I can get is that the Christians I know, and the christians in my community, are generally kind and decent people. However, the non-Christians in my community and that I know are generally kind and decent as well. It’s got nothing to do with their religiosity and everything to do with them being good human beings.

I blogged on this topic a while back: http://atheos-godless.blogspot.com/2010/08/come-let-us-reason-together.html

The vast majority of Christians are better than the God they worship.

I’ll opt out of this exercise since I’m still a fence-sitter, but I really rather like that, Jeff P. I may take it home and make it a pet.

Setting aside what separates us for the moment….I find that on the number of issues on which Christians and I actually do agree, I find that they can be powerful and reliable allies (politically and socially).

I actually wrote a blog entry a few months ago titled, What Atheists Can Learn From Christians. Aside from what I talk about in that blog post, I really do admire the passion that many fundamentalist Christians have for their religion. This passion causes many fundamentalists to genuinely be concerned about the questions of morality and existence seriously. The problem of course is that they are too quickly satisfied with the answers religion provides… but I digress.
-Staks

Something nice, okay … it was good of them to leave enough clues in their biblical text to allow me to decypher the constellational allegory it was based upon, so thanks, very grateful. Oh, and the entrance fee to St. Peter’s basilica was very reasonable, and I found the display of gold artifacts inside very impressive.

I know plenty of individual Christians that are nice people. The belief system has a lot of ideals that unfortunately is broken by believers, with spectacular falls from the ideals on occasion.

That question can be reversed too. Can we get more Christians that can say something nice about non-believers, “heretics” or atheists? Can we get Christians that don’t lump Thelema, Wicca, voodoo practitioners, pagans in general and non-believers as Satan worshipers? Can we get some prominent Christians to publicly repudiate the crazy stuff that comes out of Pat Robertson’s mouth? If they don’t condemn it, doesn’t that mean they agree with him?

The vast majority of Christians I know are kind and generous people, and many of them credit this to their faith. I think they’re selling themselves short and they would be every bit as kind and generous without their religion.

But the Bible does have a lot to say about kindness and generosity (in between smitings), so if it inspires them to good deeds, I’m all for it.

I’m from Denmark were religion is somewhat taboo, and anyone who mentions abstinence get the “what the hell is wrong with you” look.
Here religion is mostly a private matter and even though we still have homophobia and intolerence, it’s not justified in the name of god.

So I’m genuine when I say that I really like the moderation and tolerence the church is showing. It’s rare for anyone to feel excluded due to ones religious belief or non-belief.

I can’t say anything good about christians as christians. I might say something good about many christians (certainly not all) as people.

They’re slightly less scary than muslims.

This is easy. I have only to look at my parents. Some Christians are truly living by the rules they understand the world by, and living the very best lives they can in those rules, caring for others as themselves, and genuinely trying to live a good life, to make the best of this life that they can and still adhere to all the rules of their faith. While their world view taints these efforts in the eyes of others, they truly are living honestly and morally within the framework of how they understand the world. While some might call this delusion, if you are in the delusion you would see them as pillars of society; role models to emulate; and the kind of people that you would want your family to be.

On the whole, Christians are no more or less good or bad than anyone else, of course. Their tradition does encourage community, which I think is good for the most part (when it avoids an ‘us vs. them’ mentality, which isn’t often enough, alas).

While I frequently disagree with their values and priorities, I can admire the passion Christians put into their efforts to do what they think improves the state of the world. Often they really do exactly that.

And I forgot to mention, nearly all the Christians I’m close to are against organized religion – even more so, now that I’ve shared my disgust for it. I have very, very few fundamentalist Christians in my family.

The fundies are the ones difficult to complement, I’ll admit. I can’t really think of anything nice to say about die-hard, atheist-hating Christians, but I guess I could say they are happy? I’m not so sure.

Yes, it’s wrong to stereotype a group of people and say “Christians are (insert complement or insult here),” but I don’t think it’s wrong to say “In general, my Christian friends/family members are (insert educated generalization here).”

People say “in general” all the time. Overgeneralizing is wrong, but so is undergeneralizing. I’m interested in what people think in general about a group, based on personal experience. Realistically, you should answer with respect to the Christians in YOUR life. I haven’t met all the Christians in the world, so I can’t say much about them.

No.

I like the idea of this challenge, but I’m having a hard time with it.

Someone’s Christianity or atheism is only one facet of the countless views, foibles, convictions, and experiences that make up the whole person. Yes, we can infer things about how someone evaluates information or how he was raised, etc., simply by looking at which camp he belongs to, but very few people are completely defined by one aspect of their lives.

The females are wild in bed and give good head.

You mean about christianity today, our from its inception all way up to the present time?

To answer both, no.

Honestly, many Christians I know are not nearly as annoyingly evangelistic or close-minded as some of the atheists on this comment thread. (OK, so a few of them are, but seriously, most of them aren’t.)

I was an atheist for 20 years of my adult life, and I never had a Christian reject me as a person when they learned I was an atheist. Sure, they were shocked and didn’t understand, and they were concerned for the state of my soul, but no Christian criticized or pushed me away because of it.

On the contrary, since I became a Christian several years ago, I’ve met with rejection and ridicule from the majority of the atheists I knew then and have met since.

This has been very frustrating becaue I’m not a “right-wing” fundamentalist, yet I’m assumed to be just that, because I am a follower of Christ. I have a Ph.D. in English Lit, but I’m accused of being “anti-intellectual” because I believe in a supernatural God. I’m accused of thinking I’m better or more moral than non-Christians — which makes me want to laugh because my understanding of Christianity is that it’s all about undeserved grace.

I’m not saying I’ve suffered in any great way from others’ treatment of me, because I haven’t. It’s just frustrating when folks who claim to be so open-minded and logic-based in their positions can be so knee-jerk dismissive and stereotypical when interacting with someone who professes Christianity, or when asked to say something nice about Christians.

I will even say something nice about Mormons. My sister joined the Mormon church after they knocked on her door enough times.

They have a strong sense of community and help each other through sickness. when my sister’s family had the flew (including the three little girls), someone was over every day helping out.

It is hard to say something generally about Christians because they are such a diverse group and have varying cultural practices.

-There is lots of wonderful Christian literature and art which has enriched our culture.

-There are many Christians who do actually follow the good parts of the Bible, such as helping the poor.

-Churches and other religious groups can provide a sense of community that is important, especially when someone’s going through difficult times.

Thank you, Hemant. This is a really interesting challenge.

As for the Christians in my life, I find that like every other group they are a mixed bag. However, I deeply appreciate these things about most Christians I know:

-Are willing to accept an opposing worldview without challenging it at every opportunity
-Engage in open and friendly dialogue about our different beliefs

-My mother, the most devoted Christian and Bible literalist I know, has been accepting (though not welcoming) of myself and my trans girlfriend (both atheists)
-Have a strong sense of community and charity.

@The Sceptical Scribe, I don’t think I can come up with anything I admire about Christianity as a whole, as a concept, or historically. Christians individually can be wonderful people, but there’s nothing wonderful about their religion.

and i wonder: how would these two posts have been different if the question had been about Jews? Hindus? Jains? Wiccans?

Christians are fantastic community builders, particularly the evangelical ones.

Some of the best music ever written was done for them, too.

All the Christians I know or knew are JWs.

They are brave people, willing to stand up for what they believe in despite ridicule, vilification, and persecution. (Unlike the Christians who think they are persecuted, this small sect often is)

They are honest, law-abiding, moral people who are mostly harmless. –okay, that got snarky, but it’s my fav way of describing them.

If it were legal (and I had property) I would exclusively rent to JWs. If I wanted or could afford a maid, or anyone else who was entering my property when I wasn’t there, I would prefer to choose a JW.

I have met many Christians who truly live up to what they say Jesus preached.
They are kind, honest, hard working, and tolerant of other views.
I have no qualms with them working scientific discoveries into their world view as I tend to do the same, even if I disagree with theirs.

@chicago dyke: and i wonder: how would these two posts have been different if the question had been about Jews? Hindus? Jains? Wiccans?

It would be very different, as none of those other groups believe everyone else is going to hell, and none are attempting to impose their will upon the rest of civilization.

@Hope: This has been very frustrating becaue I’m not a “right-wing” fundamentalist… my understanding of Christianity is that it’s all about undeserved grace.

If you believe Christianity is “all about undeserved grace”, then I assume you think we’re going to hell, and if you think we’re going to hell, you are a fundamentalist – or close enough.

I can say nice things about individual people who do nice things. I’ve known many kind, loving, generous, fair-minded, respectful, ethical, courageous people. Some of them were Christians.

In all those people I’ve gotten to know closely, I’ve never been convinced that their being a Christian or any other religion was a necessary ingredient for them to demonstrate all those wonderful qualities. They would have those qualities regardless.

So I can say nice things about people who happen to be Christians, but I’m not attributing their qualities to their religion.

Most of the christians I have contact with at my college are liberal, moderate christians, so they’re very different from the ones who make the news. Half my hall in my dorm were very devout christians who all knew each other previously. They are so full of love for everyone and everything is a blessing . They are a joy to be around and they are really the first christians who made me question whether god really does exist.

What stands out for me is more about Christian churches – the environment offers a wonderful sense of community.

They really, truly want to be good and most of them want to get along with their neighbor, like most people do.

Aside from that, I find that even the good things I find to say have an edge to it.

Christians have a wonderful sense of community, are generous, welcoming and genuinely interested in helping the neighborhoods they live in.

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Actually, I never really got why people are so down on Christians…they are clearly victims of a religious virus and deserve our compassion more than our scorn. We talk about fighting cancer, but we don’t say cancer patients are ignorant fools because they became infected with a disease…why do we do the opposite with religious folks?

Well, they’ve built some pretty buildings in the name of their imaginary friend.

I think a lot of the difficulty stems from the very non-parallel nature of atheism vs. Christianity.

For example, atheism is only a disbelief in god or gods while Christianity is a religion, having a holy book, holy men, all manner of religious-based mandates on how to interact with the world. So while you can, perhaps, pick up a trend among atheists, there is nothing specific that can be inherently tied to atheism or attributed to atheism, be it good or bad. Whereas Christianity has that book and those rules and such, and it is adherence to those things that identifies one as a Christian or even a specific kind of Christian. Kind of apples vs. oranges. Technically, the best one can say either way is that from a Christian perspective, atheists can be perfectly good people despite lacking the all-important faith in God (but don’t they often say that we are simply reacting to God’s moral presence being inherent in the world or written on the human heart or that our goodness is okay but not quite as good as faith-based goodness?), while from an atheist point of view, Christians can be perfectly good people, (but don’t we often say that is when they manage to reject many of the uglier parts of their faith?)

For another example, Christianity has had about two thousand years to establish itself–and, at some points, enforce itself–and create variants aplenty (ranging from tolerant and generous to intolerant and hysterical), and it is now a supermajority–one might even call it an over-privileged majority (not to denigrate nice Christians who tend to reject using that privilege, but that doesn’t mean the privilege isn’t there). Whereas atheists have only recently begun to feel confident enough to “come out” and be visible, much less establish any kind of identity, and we are an underprivileged minority whose very visibility–no matter how mildly or gently-put–is still causing conniptions among many of the faithful majority. Sure, atheists can be diverse but nowhere near the super-diversity of Christianity as a whole.

So with this second point, I think atheists are still few enough to be able to generalize a bit from observed trends outside of “they all disbelieve in deities”, whereas Christians are so many and so varied and have been for so long that it’s really difficult to find something to say that specifically applies in a general way to Christianity besides “they believe in Jesus”. How the hell do you compare the beliefs or characteristics of a 100-person newly-visible minority to a 100,000-person long-established majority? I think this would be similar if atheism had been the dominant established POV for over a thousand years, sporting multiple often-mutually-exclusive sects, and Christians were some oft-persecuted minority of lonely individuals who only now were discovering others who agree with them and only now feeling confident enough to become visible in a still-hostile environment.

On top of that, the fact that Christians are technically beholden to a defining rulebook that tells them not to tolerate people who are different–be they gay, atheist, or whatever–means that the best thing most atheists can really say about a Christian that specifically pertains to their Christianity (and not simply to their humanity) would be that they are nicest when accept the equality and humanity of others despite the mandates of their particular religion or holy book or holy leader’s words.

My dad once talked of smorgasbord Christians, and I told him that technically they are all smorgasbord Christians! The ugly ones gravitate to the uglier parts of the Bible that validate their ugliness and give it divine sanction while ignoring parts that do not, but nice ones do the same, gravitating toward the nice parts that help them validate the nice things they already believe while ignoring the hateful parts. The way I see it, I think Christians are either nicer or uglier than they give themselves credit for–in that the nice ones credit God for their own good natures, while the uglier ones consider themselves good while shifting the blame for their ugliness onto God. And obviously, that can only be looked at in terms of individuals, simply due to the amount of time and the huge size and scope of the faith and the sheer numbers of individuals practicing it.

I guess my overall point is that it’s an apples vs. oranges question and I believe it will be until atheists are as numerous and accepted as religious people. Kind of like it’s worthless to discuss whether girls are not as smart as boys until you’re able to control all of those confounding variables such as internalized expectations from authority figures who automatically assume girls are “no good” at math or science or anything but looking pretty in pink and makin’ babies. Or how it’s worthless to discuss whether white kids are smarter than black kids until you actually manage to create an actually equal playing field in which black kids are not overwhelmingly deprived of opportunities from birth, or sabotaged by low expectations from educators the way girls are. I just think there are too many confounding factors to ask this question yet, or to say that atheist are arrogant or evil for not being able to reciprocate in kind. I think many if not most atheists here would like to be able to reciprocate, but circumstances don’t really allow for it. I know I’m struggling to come up with something, but there is nothing nice I can say that can apply generally to all Christians. And I feel that if it can’t apply to Christians in general, it isn’t really in the spirit of the question in the first place.

The best thing I can say about Christians that pertains directly to their Christianity is that I am happy and appreciative when the nicer elements of Christianity are willing to fight with and argue against the uglier elements, rather than hiding in the wings and letting the atheists do it for them–and then berating the atheists for not validating the nice version of Christianity in their arguments, as if atheists have some kind of duty to defend your religion from your point of view! So I’m very happy to see the nicer elements laying off the atheists, fighting the ugly elements in their faith for themselves, taking it upon themselves to defend their own take on the faith, and prioritizing. And by prioritizing, I mean the fact that so many are thinking, “what is more important to me in a companion–that she Love God or that she behaves in a manner that God would approve of?” And then deciding that they would rather fellowship with an atheist who will roll up his sleeves and help feed the poor vs. that fundie christian who Loves God with plenty of lip service but spits on the poor. For years, the priority of most believers was on “at least so-and-so BELIEVES in something, unlike you!” Now there is an increasing emphasis on genuine empathy and behavior that has caused many Christians to reconsider what is important. And I do believe this re-prioritizing has been forced by the fact that atheists have become so visible, but I still give credit to the Christians who have risen to the challenge posed by an increasingly-visible atheist community and have chosen to become more tolerant rather than retreat into the bigoted mire in which the fundies wallow.

It would be great if that trend continued and spread to overtake the uglier fundies and make them extinct. Because with nice Christians, I can easily say “in a practical sense in the real world, you and I have the same values and goals, and the fact that you have an invisible friend and I don’t is a small and completely irrelevant factor between us.” If all Christians were like that, we wouldn’t be having this discussion in the first place.

Yes, certainly: the Christians I know accept me for who I am. They are as angry about the vocal minority freaks that make news as we are. We share similar passions, and we have fun despite our theological differences. In general, conversations don’t revolve around Jesus, they revolve around shit that actually matters.

Christianity is in a sense a more diverse population, which makes this harder. Or rather, atheists are diverse, but the ones who actually call themselves atheists are usually interested in skepticism and at least two of: science, philosophy, history, or anthropology, which rather narrows down the types of people you get.

So what I’ll say (the most I can say) about fundamentalists is: they (individuals much more than clergy) have stick to the principles and beliefs they think are right. I think that’s a very big problem for the rest of us, given those principles and beliefs, so it’s bad in a utilitarian sense, but it’s still an admirable trait when taken out of that context.

As for the moderate-to-liberals? They tend to be loyal and generous to their communities and families. I think this is a trait anyone can have, but whether due to time (being a recently exploding movement), lacking distinctness, or any other factor, atheists simply haven’t built up the same sorts of extensive communities and support networks that organize people’s altruistic and protective instincts, or provide moral support for day-to-day struggles.

Nope.

As a group, they really do seem to want to help people.

I am going to paraphrase and extend Kahomono’s entry which I liked:

Like atheists, Christians come in many flavours but the fact is that many Christians do indeed exemplify the selfless altruism and fellowship of humanity that “being a good Christian” is supposed to mean. They are also organised and truly make the time to do good works.

Wow. I can’t believe that some of you, and also some of the Christians can’t come up with ONE nice thing to say about each other. Thats what scares me away from associating with any group. Right now I’m a fence sitter trying to figure out what exactly I believe or don’t believe it, but I think its petty that no one can look beyond thier religious views and find things that each other do are good.

Hi Steener,
I suggest that you figure out what you believe or do not believe according to the merits of the belief that you’re questioning, and not worry about the merits of the groups who believe or do not believe it. I’m sure you’re aware that the existence of gods is not determined by which group of human beings is nicer. Listen to their arguments and disregard their attitudes toward each other. If you get off the fence onto either side, you still don’t have to associate with groups oriented around that side if you don’t like how they behave. You can just be on the side of people in general. Associate with the individuals who appeal to you.

@pinkocommie:

I’m not pointing this out to be a downer or to turn something that’s supposed to be positive into a bickering match, but …

They always say “but.” Could have just stopped at “match.” You are starting one, with your ignorance. The point I was trying to make was women are more likely to be religious since they are more emotional, but it looks like you were so anxious to attack, that you didn’t read thoroughly. And if you don’t know women are more emotional, and men are more logical, then I want to know what hole you’ve been living in.

I don’t want to call people names, but you are an idiot … commie.

Richard Wade,
Thanks for being so polite about what you said, and you are right I’m fully aware that either side being nice or not has nothing to do with who is right. I guess in general no matter in the end what I decide I want to find a group of people who feel the same way as me, without having to totally be at war with the other side. I know it sounds quite childish but I just want to yell at the whole lot “Can’t we all just get along?” Honestly I think if some of the people who are on opposing sides met each other and talked about things that had nothing to do with religion, they’d like one another. I’m very glad I found this website though, its been helpful in my whole exlporation of what I really believe.

Steener,
I don’t think you’re being childish at all. In fact, I think you’re being very mature. Whichever side of this question you end up choosing, you’ll be able to find individuals and even small groups who agree with you, yet who are able to remain respectful and constructive when interacting with those who disagree. You just won’t be able to find larger groups that don’t have some of the more contentious or hostile individuals mixed in. Also, it can be encouraging to keep in mind that people can change over time. I used to be very nasty and sarcastic when discussing things like this online.

Wherever you go, I hope you continue to add your gracious and peaceable disposition to the general atmosphere. It can spread.

Jeepers Scribe…. You are even dumber than I thought!

Here you go Einstein… http://women.webmd.com/normal-testosterone-and-estrogen-levels-in-women

With your views on women you would fit right in to a nice Fundamentalist Christian or Muslim community. Go for it! You will feel right at home.

… “Men are creatures of logic, women are creatures of emotion.” It’s a very popular saying, and has science to back it up.”…

Right, it’s very popular among the intellectual doofus crowd you probably hang out in. For the rest of us…. it’s called comedy.

Here is another popular saying for you. “People can only assume you are a dope until you open your mouth.”

Affectionately
Mrs. N
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I’m incredibly late to this party, but I’ll add my two cents. I can’t say anything good about all Christians (just as it would be silly to say something nice about all atheists), but I understand the spirit of the thing, so here goes.

Amongst Christians you can find some of the most selfless, forgiving and generous people in the world. Christians make up some of the people suffering nearly intolerable conditions and danger in the darkest regions of the planet because they feel called to help the most helpless. I stand in awe of their bravery and decency.

SeekerLancer… you can say the same thing about a beagle. Oh, and Hitler was only doing what he thought was best too.

Claudia…. Christians are a pain in the ass.

…”I stand in awe of their bravery and decency.”…

Right… pedophiles, rednecks and The Bible Belt leading the country in incest, illiteracy, divorce, percentage of the population behind bars and church attendance. How can you stand in awe of parents who teach their kids that the earth is 6000 years old?

Are you a friend of The Skeptical Scribe? Or, maybe a relative? A cousin he took to the prom perhaps?

Respectfully Yours
Mrs. N

@Mrs. Neutron, apology accepted. While I’m at it, please do note the start of my comment. It’s impossible to say something nice (or mean) about all Christians, or all people of any large group. My comment is directed at those Christians who sincerely direct their faith for just causes. Obviously kiddy diddlers don’t exactly enter into that group.

Nice one Tizzle.

Claudia says: ..”It’s impossible to say something nice (or mean) about all Christians, or all people of any large group.”…

Wanna bet?

You don’t mind calling people names? I mind.

Liar. Liar. Pants on fire. It’s all right up there in black and white for everyone to see. You made sexist remarks that pinkocommie disagreed with and your not-so intelligent comeback was idiot? You don’t call that calling names? Really? Then your definition of name calling and 99.9% of the rest of the human race’s differs.

Donna you must know being able to write your name in the snow with pee takes a lot of effort. You know how much beer I have to drink to have enough pee to do that?

Wow, I totally missed being called an idiot. The internet is so emotional – must be a women, huh guys? Right? Hyuck!

Scribe – you are wrong. But it’s OK. I won’t insult you. I just hope you eventually figure it out.

baconsbud, thanks for the laugh! I needed that.

Mrs. Neutron, don’t you love how guys like that say something insulting and if you actually get angry about it, it just proves women are emotional? I’m not stupid enough to fall for that shit. What they want is a doormat, not a woman.

pinkocommie, it stood out glaringly to me because he did that and then went on about don’t call names!?

Martin Luther King, Mother Theresa, Gregor Mendel, pretty much any president or prime minister you like (plus any you hate) such as FDR and Lloyd George, both of whom helped the poor, or Lincoln, Harriet Tubman etc etc etc. Thanks for not falling into the jolly annoying stereotype of dumb Christians.