Rev. Cedric Miller Had a Foursome

It is clear that this minister can no longer be considered effective in his ministry. Truthfully, he can be forgiven of his sins, but he has lost all credibility with any church he tries to work for. So on the one hand, he has his sins forgiven of the penalty of death and eternal separation from God, but on the other hand, the direct current consequences of his sin are clear in his lost of his ministry position. This man has no right to counsel I do agree with that, but I would also be skeptical of his true faith in Jesus Christ.

This just keeps getting better and better. I could care less he had a foursome. Would love to have one myself but I’m not telling others to get rid of their facebook accounts.

Gotta love hypocrites.

Ccolumbus said that he can be forgiven of his sins. What sin? I fail to see what he did consensually with his wife and friends was in any way a “sin”. It might not have been appropriate given his standing in his church, but where’s the sin? If anything, he’s only guilty of hypocrisy. Sin presupposes the existence of a being whom one can sin against. If his wife was ok with it and the others were ok with it, what’s the problem? Hypocrisy yes, sin no.

Rev Miller told the court that the meetings between the couples often took place after Thursday Bible study sessions and after church services on Sundays.

If churches ofered this to all the congrigation I think I would be able to get along with christians better. I still wouldn’t believe in it, but I might go to church…

Haha. The best part, the part that made me laugh out loud was the post bible study and post church trysts. How do you get in on those extra special study groups? Was he preaching or studying about sin right those special parties? So, hypocritical…but there is always the easy out of forgiveness. But, how many times must you commit the same sin before forgiveness stops taking effect and God just throws up his hands? I always wanted to know if there was some threshold or limit. So, it goes like “I’m sorry, God..I’ll never do that again.”………next day………oops. “I’m really really sorry, God. I promise THis time, I’ll never do it again.” ……….next day……….OOPS. “Hey, God…………………..”

Of course it was okay! It occurred AFTER bible studies!! They looked up all of the necessary passages to make it okay!! Then they prayed about it!

Fundie Troll,

When I tell my children not to do certain things (because I know from experience that they are detrimental), am I being a hypocrite? Or am I just trying to help them avoid making the same mistakes that I made in life?

I wouldn’t be too quick to judge this man. Perhaps he as well is speaking from experience, having made shipwreck of his own marriage…

You’re making an important point. Personal experience of one’s own transgressions and mistakes can be a valuable source of practical wisdom, but in general it has to be presented openly and frankly as personal experience.

I think the problem with the Reverend is that he was not up front and honest about the wisdom his errors might have given him. He continued to try to base his credibility on an illusion of spotless virtue. This not only set him up for eventual discovery and justified accusations of hypocrisy, it also hampered him in really being able to talk effectively about the root causes of his and perhaps others’ marital problems. Instead, he babbled about peripheral and quite irrelevant things like Facebook and the “temptations” it supposedly presents. All that was completely beside the point, but he was unable to be a powerful speaker for virtue in a marriage, because his own virtue was a complete facade.

Maybe he will now be able to speak with more genuine credibility, but he’ll have to constantly guard against accruing more arrogance. He really will need to say “I don’t know” more often, and he’ll have to acknowledge that there are often no neat and clean solutions to people’s problems.

Richard:

“I think the problem with the Reverend is that he was not up front and honest about the wisdom his errors might have given him. He continued to try to base his credibility on an illusion of spotless virtue.”

Where do you get this information from? I’m not saying you’re wrong, and I’ve only been vaguely following the issue, so I’m genuinely curious about whether he has been trying to cover up or ignore his past. If he has been taking such a stance, then this is a serious accusation (and grounds for much chortling). If not, it’s just tabloid muckraking, and I don’t find it particularily interesting, amusing or relevant. In my (admittedly half-hearted) skimming of the commentary on this debacle, I can’t find anything to settle the issue either way.

I wouldn’t assume that just because he’s a preacher, preaching on infidelity, that he necessarily relies on the image of personal virtue. Some christian heirarchies do work like this, but it’s important to remember that not all do. Not everyone is the Catholic church – some churches emphasise the fallibility of leaders and make sure that they are held accountable. It’s also important to remember how important the concept of forgiveness and justification by faith is for many strands of protestant christianity. It may well be that the preacher’s past is an open secret among his congregation.

Didn’t someone recently coin an internet law that basically stated that when someone of Christian ‘authority’ condemned something it was only a short matter of time before they were publicly outed for doing something very similar?

If not, then I’ll coin it now. 🙂

Didn’t someone recently coin an internet law that basically stated that when someone of Christian ‘authority’ condemned something it was only a short matter of time before they were publicly outed for doing something very similar?

If not, then I’ll coin it now.

I believe Sigmund Freud coined the term psychological projection.

Well, I’m done wondering if the FB thing had anything to do with any temptation he felt before shutting his own in a hurry. Now I’m wondering how long before that comes out in addition to this.

Really not surprising. You’ve got to be horny to obsess about sex this much. Kind of like the “straight” people who obsess about what the gays down the block are doing behind closed doors.

I always wondered how there could possibly be that people got to have such kinky sex… I mean, there’s no indication in my daily life or when I’m out clubbing that seems to lead to such a thing. Mind you I’m not looking so I would probably miss it if it stared me right the face.

Now I know though! If you have strange fantasies (as in with more one other person, which I think is the most common) about sex that you wish realize, you should become a priest of some sort.

“Join the priesthood – we’ve got kinky sex parties.” “Join the priesthood – we rape children.” “Join the priesthood – we preach hatred about homosexuality in order to make people that hate homosexuals give us money so that we can buy homosexual acts from male prostitute. Oh, and we also teach hatred for prostitutes and sex buyers.”

I absolutely love these stories! I mean, there’s already a cognitive dissonance between people of faith and reality (in which they don’t practice their faith because they know it won’t stop the car from running them down if they cross the highway unaware of the traffic), but there’s also a moral dissonance! If you think kinky sex is bad, don’t do it. How can it possibly be so hard (pun intended) to live by what you say you hold dear?

TL;DR

One note that might contradict all I wrote above: it’s quite common for people in power to actively ignore the philosophy they say they follow. Rich people saying that capitalism is good giving money to aid, politicians, saying they like to fix the environment, driving big gasoline-eating cars, philanthropically oriented organisations taking money to buy themselves dinner at fancy restaurants or “loving” parents hitting their children when they get angry. It’s quite common with moral dissonance when power is present. “Power corrupts. Great power corrupts greatly:” or whatever the saying is… I would rather put it: The main problem with humankind is that we’re all, in various degrees, unknowing hypocrites.

Yay, I had two “TL;DR” within one comment!

Rev Miller told the court that the meetings between the couples often took place after Thursday Bible study sessions and after church services on Sundays.

I believe it is called being filled with the Holy Ghost. 🙂

I understand The Pastor Cedric…I am addicted on sex and I am Christian too, all my life and even now I’m fighting against my terrible wishes.I am going marry for third time on 4 weeks with a good woman ( I think so ), I hate the way that I am because I want to have many women and make sex with all of them, I didn’t cheat her no for real but I don’t know how long I will be this way.The reverend Cedric is a good man, he is not evil , he’s trying help the others.
How many of you have the same wish to have a threesome with other people and with your wife there? how many of you wives want to have other man before your husband ? come on…be real! what he did on the past was wrong and is hurting him now…
I am a terrible christian but I still believe that he can do good with himself and help the others.