Since When Does Tolerance Only Mean Pro-Christian?

It always comes back to this every time: These people are not about facts. We would sit down and find articles and references to points we want to make, this woman just sat down and wrote what she “felt” because she believes it to be true. That’s how it works for them. We’re not only dealing with a fundamental difference in the nature of the universe, we’re dealing with people who don’t consider facts and evidence to be important.

@Alex

But it’s Jesus… how can it not be a privilege to be in the presence of the all knowing all loving creator of you?

It is so haaaaaard to be the majority. If only everyone was cool with the majority stomping on the minority, everything would be awesome (that’s why we won the War on Drugs).

Don’t forget – the Mohave cross was ordered covered *while the court case reviewing its legality was in progress*. Ultimately, the court ruled that the religious symbol was allowed to remain overlooking public land.

The Asheville Citizens Times is a right leaning paper that is closely associated with our local TV station in promoting the chriso-fascist line of non thinking. Those of us living here just ignore both of these so called news outlets.

But it’s Jesus… how can it not be a privilege to be in the presence of the all knowing all loving creator of you?

Well, Brice Gilbert, you are either really silly or being sarcastic. If you are silly (because God is the creator and Jesus is the son) then do some fact checking. Also, if you are being sarcastic, you fail at it as I have had to question if you are sarcastic…

Anyway, the whole article is, as usual, one-sided. If newspapers actually had two-sided articles instead of continuously publishing biased articles then perhaps the world would be a more simple place…

Asdf.

Factual inaccuracy is factual inaccuracy. I mean, would it kill people to *check* court decisions once in a while to see if they actually say what they think they do? But having responded to a whole lot of letters to the editor over the last few years, most of them aren’t much better.

But even if everything she threw in there were true, professed Christians make up so much of the cultural and political elite in America and professed Christian faith is so necessary to be seen as socially acceptable that even if valedictorians were outright banned from invoking God in their speeches and etc, I really don’t think I could bring myself to care much.

Unexamined privilege is a funny and very sad thing at the same time. White males who are oblivious to their situation often make similar complaints. “Minorities get all the scholar ships!” “Where is the white people channel!?” “Why isn’t there a men’s study center!?”

I am a white male but the similarities are maddening. Christians are not victims, they are the oppressors. Their “rights” are not being infringed upon, their privileges are only being diminished (albeit only slightly).

+1 Thegoodman

While the God of Abraham and Moses has been forcibly ejected from the public square, we are to be tolerant of a mosque erected as a monument to the 9/11 attack on America.

Um . . So, she’s not aware that Abraham was, according to the OT, the father of Ishmael, who is, in turn, the ancestor of the Muslims and that the big bruhaha between Arab and Jew is that Abraham broke The Law by disinheriting Ishmael in favor of Isaac but God took pity on Hagar, his mother, after Sarah made Abraham banish them? As I understand it, the Muslims consider themselves the actual “chosen people” and that the Jews have abandoned their, G-d, whose name is also Allah.

:sigh: Why don’t people know the history of their own Holy Books?

@Gwenny:

Oh, they *do* … but only the parts that support and validate their worldview.

I don’t understand why they want to force prayer on people they wouldn’t allow into their churches.

Barf. That’s what I’m going to do if I hear one more poor persecuted Christian piece of bullshit.

Ooh, a judge broke the law, defied a court order and was removed from the bench. Imagine that! I know I can imagine his reaction if a court order he issued was ignored given that he wouldn’t even tolerate his private religious views being ignored. And the last thing in hell, I’d want to be is in front of the bench while he presided. His bias was decidedly showing.

Praying individually isn’t enough for these persecuted idiots. If they can’t force you to pray with them, they’re not being treated fairly in their book. Their claims to be persecute are one thing and one thing only — being used as a tool to oppress.

Dan’s right but Alex is even more so. It comes down to privilege and if the facts get in the way, ignore them or totally twist them if need be to assert privilege over others.

I don’t know if they’re necessarily lying, it’s just that in a group, you have one person misunderstanding something and people take that misunderstanding as the truth. But still, the lack of saner heads and double checking doesn’t look good for them. When you have minimally educated people, you have a lot more potential for miscommunication and misunderstanding.

You can pray just about anywhere on public land, you can’t make the prayer part of a government function. That’s not a tough distinction to see.

Why on earth would a newspaper publish something as horrible at this?

“retired U.S. Army lieutenant colonel living in Western North Carolina”

There’s your answer.

All these people who are against the mosque/community center are really driving me crazy. Even my atheistic mother is opposed to it. The thing that most of them can’t seem to grasp is that it’s not a Taliban center and it is so narrow minded of people to think that all people who practice the Muslim faith could be terrorists. I know I’m preaching to the choir on this board but it just really drives me crazy that even people I thought were open minded are being swept up in the hysterical nonsense.

People of the Muslim faith are as much a part of our country as the Christians and are just as entitled. 9/11 was devastating to our Muslims because it created an air of distrust and as far as I’m concerned I think the Muslim community center should go up as a show of good faith, we’re sorry for judging an entire religion and multiple countries’ people based on a terrible act perpetrated by one organization.

Thank goodness that blogs like this one exist, it helps keep me sane. I had to sit through a prayer at my university graduation and that really sucked.

So if McKay is worried that the god of Abraham and Moses isn’t getting his propers, why on earth would she oppose building the Muslim community center? I have to imagine that if it is used for nothing else, worship of this particular deity would be the main purpose of such a building.

The state-wide newspaper (Arkansas Democrat Gazette) posts stupid letters like this ALL the time.
It’s one of the MANY reasons I refuse to subscribe.

It pisses me off to no end that they use the word “homosexual” instead of gay. ::sigh::

People seem unable to tell the difference between equal rights and special privileges. Some members of each group think that it’s completely fair for their own group to get special rights while everyone else is discriminated against. This seems to be based on the idea that God prefers them over everyone else, and that therefore God wants them to be the only ones who can practice their religion.

I have a lot of respect for people who serve in the armed forces, defending our country. I wonder how members of our military who are not members of the same religion as Lt. McKay (or even those who practice a nicer form of the same religion) would respond to her views.

I’ve got a new word for people like McKay: hatriots. They call themselves patriots, but their hatred drives them to abandon the core principles on which the US was founded. Freedom of religion? Not for those you hate. Freedom of speech? Not for those you hate. They literally want to take away our freedoms, and yet they have the gall to claim that doing so will “restore” our freedoms and that they love our country.

I think it’s time for us to start reclaiming the language of patriotism from these cretins, and I have an idea about where to start. They are fond of quoting the 1956 national motto, “In God We Trust”, so lets all start quoting back at them the original national motto:

E Pluribus Unum.

Latin for “out of many, one”. It’s on the Great Seal of the United States, adopted in 1782 and thus has a better pedigree than the official motto. If someone questions you about it, whip out a dollar bill and read it off the scroll in the eagle’s mouth on the back side of the bill, or just use any handy coin – it’s on all of them.

It expresses the truth that the nation is formed by the union of the many different states, but also by the voices of the people – ALL the people – joining together in chorus. The hatriots want to destroy that chorus, removing the harmonies and counterpoints brought by minorities, leaving only a single dull repetitive melody droning on forever without change.

We need to remind people that the strength of America was always in it’s willingness to accept diverse people and bring them together in common cause as a single, unified nation.

E Pluribus Unum!

Sometimes newspapers publish extreme or controversial op-ed pieces in order to elicit a response from the other side that they can publish a few days later. Remember, the newspaper company’s job is to sell more newspapers, so they benefit by fanning those flames a little bit if it means producing more text that people will pay to read.

My vote is to write your own op-ed countering hers – if they want a show, give ’em a show. If you work it right, you can come off as the defender of liberty and, more importantly to some people, property rights.

As much as I agree with you on the stupidity of this letter, newspapers don’t have to fact check opinions columns. That’s why they’re opinions.

Anyone is free to write in a response and debunk them. I did that very thing in my local paper concerning a scathing and ignorant piece on the mosque and surprisingly got loads of positive support from the community.

I got a response from Miss McKay:

I’m sorry you’re disturbed. I hope you can get help

The nerve of that woman.

Well, naturally. You think she’s wrong, so you’re either unbalanced – or evil.