Muslim Family Threatens Harry Potter Actress for Dating Hindu

I got nothing to say but… What a FUCKED up way of thinking!

But the only reason that Christianity doesn’t commit such atrocities is that they do not live in a culture that facilitates ‘honor killings’. At least, in America, that is. Christian sub-sects in Africa are a completely different account.

More like that they don’t come from a society that condones such acts.

This stuff happens among immigrants in Europe. In societies where the killers are punished. Granted, the media blows them out of proportion a bit. It doesn’t happen that often and just gets a lot of attention. But it still happens.

Crazy is as crazy does. I hope they stayed locked up for a long while. Anyone who can beat up their own sister (never mind threaten to kill her) has failed in their membership of the human race.

1) they’re out on bail

2) physical abuse is accepted in many cultures. i assume she’d been beaten many times as a child, and her brother has the “right” to beat her within the bangladeshi culture from what i know (my family is bangladeshi fyi). they probably threatened to kill her, though they probably would not followed through with it.

3) name an african christian culture which engages in honor killings. sub-saharan african cultures are relatively chilled about about this, even muslims (though they are hostile to homosexuality). it’s the mid east into south asia, muslim, christian, hindu and sikh, where women are subject to this sort of control because of the importance of patrilineages and the existence segmentary societies.

4) from what i gather the brown people in britain are allowed to create barbaric enclaves of savage practices because of the practice of multiculturalism (i have relatives over there, and that’s the impression i get). the british indian community is economically advanced enough that it tends to integrate somewhat, but the bangladeshi community is the most immigrant and economically deprived there, so they keep themselves to preserve their primitive folkways. at least they’re not blowing themselves up on buses like the pakistanis (yet).

p.s. i am the ‘david hume’ quoted above.

Christian parents do beat their children to death too.

http://www.secularnewsdaily.com/2010/02/16/christian-parents-biblically-beat-child-to-death-for-mispronouncing-word/

http://www.examiner.com/x-23325-Tampa-Deism-Examiner~y2010m3d9-Parents-who-killed-their-child-through-Christian-faithhealing-sentenced-to-prison

I don’t get why muslims living in muslim neighborhoods are so terrified about what other muslims might think of them that they would even kill family members since apparently killing your own daughter is much more honorable and respectable and nice than letting her date a guy from another religion.

Maybe it’s an excuse? Saying they will get angry so I won’t have to say I will get angry. Maybe muslim communities are actually that totalitarian?

Western Christian countries tend to export their out-culture killing to poor countries, in the form of colonization and imposing their morally superior religious or political structures on the darkies. When this is done, it’s done on an enormous scale (AfPak, Iraq, Philippines, numerous African areas, Palestine, etc. etc.). The North American natives, the Aboriginals, and other indigenous peoples of now Christian lands were taught their lessons mostly in earlier centuries, so the pattern of subjugation within the Christian countries is now institutionalized and less overtly brutal in a headline-making way – although of course it should and would be if people were awake.

In other words, I’m not impressed at all with the implied argument here (yet again) that Islamic brutality is worse than Christian brutality. The implication is there because it’s these tabloid headlines that Hemant tends to focus on, and not ongoing or historical societal patterns which are much more powerful.

As some other commenters have mentioned, there are still some Christians who think this is acceptable behavior too. People of all religions who kill (or try to kill) their kids based on their beliefs should be tried and put in prison for life, no matter which religion motivates them to do these things.

SickoftheUS is full of crap and totally brainwashed. all of history is about subjugation. colored people didn’t have to learn it at the white man’s foot. standard post-colonial tripe which removes all agency from non-western societies (in fact, it’s very similar to white nationalist historiography, except it inverts the moral coloring).

The implication is there because it’s these tabloid headlines that Hemant tends to focus on, and not ongoing or historical societal patterns which are much more powerful.

right, and your comment indicates you don’t know any history with the way you talk.

though i tend to agree that focusing on the problem as islam as-such is fixing on the wrong causal aspect. christians in the middle and hindus and sikhs have engaged in the practice. it’s understandable in patriarchal cultures where women are viewed as commodities to be traded that this sort of behavior shows up. it happens to men too who transgress norms (there’s a restraining order against the father and brother contacting the hindu guy).

the problem, as i indicated my initial comment, is that many communities in britain are developing relatively insulated subcultures. the peer group is constrained to people sharing different norms than the mainstream. so, for example, in my experience many south asians don’t treat physical abuse as nearly big of an issue as is in the norm in western society, especially if the abuser is a person who has authority over the abused (this is one reason that spousal abuse is a problem, because men implicitly have superiority and authority over women). OTOH, violating communal norms in who you pair up with is a very big deal, because marriage is often an alliance between families, and the action of an individual can reflect on a whole kin group. so, if this girl ends up with a hindu, people in ‘the community’ will wonder how she was raised, and the status and marriage prospects of her extended family may be affected. it’s all rational within their own norm system.

similarly, in central asia and parts of highland southeast asia, men literally kidnap their brides traditionally. that would be totally sociopathic in other circumstances, but it’s what’s expected in those cultures, and show’s that a guy has skillz.

the issue and its connection to religion is the relationship between religion and culture. this is usually justified via religion, but liberal religionists try to push a counternarrative (if you are a muslim, it is usually looking at some sayings of the prophet which indicate a preference for choice and love).

I’m not the least bit surprised. Disgusted< but not surprised.

Re: you reading SecularRight:

I imagine the only reason you read it is because of razib. But other than being East Indians and atheists, you guys couldn’t be farther apart politically.

I’m saying, basically, that the kind of shit many of our Western Christian cultures pull, the kind of pain and suffering we cause to other people, is often smoothed over and not examined as critically (or at all) by our culture police. These Western critics often seem incapable of acknowledging the pain we cause to people we disapprove of or who come into our gunsights. It’s all part of the Superiority of Our Way Of Life, and a lot of that, much of the core of our society, is informed by centuries of Christian theology in subtle and not-so-subtle ways

you’re throwing a lot of things into one big bag. i certainly can’t disagree with everything you’re saying…but do you really think that the people reading a weblog by a brown atheist need that much consciousness raising?

You’re aware John Derbyshire started that site?

to be precise, i own the domain and host the site, but heather mac donald was probably more of a spur for me to whip it together. but derb was there at the beginning, so that probably doesn’t change your point (i am not aware of the details of FA’s politics, though i assume they’re left-wing, being a bayesian and seeing that he’s a brown american and an atheist).

@ razib:

Hemant is about as liberal as they come, though he spends more energy on gay rights and secularism than on race. Actually, he mostly just alludes to racial discrimination as an axiomatic social ill, but I don’t recall too many posts specifically on matters germane to this area.

I really can’t understand why he would follow you other than the ethnic kinship, as he’s even mentioned some of your posts at GNXP. Your content isn’t that opposed to his if one considers yours mostly in a scientific light, but I mean, come on, you link to Sailer, used to link to me at GNXP :(, and co-host a blog with Derb and MacDonald.

it’s mac donald. sorry about the dropped link, but i cut down the reading of non-political commentary sites a lot, and steve overlaps with you basically (if you care, that’s the reason). and mebee there aren’t that many brown atheists; i looked at the data and though brown americans aren’t too religious, they’re pretty attached to their primitive ancestral superstitions in a sentimental manner 🙂 (an analogy with secular jews works here) canada has better break-downs of religion-by-ethnicity, and almost all brown people adhere themselves to a primitive barbaric supernatural system. i assume that on a weblog like this i won’t get accused of being a hegemonic western positivist for dismissing religion as a whole as primitive and barbaric? 🙂

The Daily Mail song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eBT6OSr1TI

Isn’t the Daily Mail a tabloid newspaper and not the most accurate British newspaper?

Sorry, but is the Daily Mail a source we should depend on (cf. Ben Goldacre).
Don’t we lose our credibility if we begin cherry-picking as to a source is to be trusted if it seems to ‘help the cause’?

As much as I detest the Daily Mail, and any such tabloids (esp. The Sun which is arguably the worst of the lot, but I digress), I think I’d better point out that in that song all the headlines were actually made up! 😉 Just to be fair.

As for Axel – the BBC, as a general rule, are very good when it comes to the news: because of the way it’s set up, it doesn’t have much of a political bias, but is perhaps slightly to the left. They’re pretty well respected throughout the world when it comes to news reporting – whether I’d necessarily say the same when it comes to – say – scientific reports is another matter, but something like this would be pretty safe ground I would think.

So it’s OK for her to play a Hindu in a lucrative movie franchise, but not OK for her to date a Hindu. Religion at work.

This is another reason I am thankful to have an atheist father. He is kind, does not use physical force, and treats all people of all religions with respect. The world would be a much better place if we all had atheist parents.

So wait…..it was OK for her to play a Hindu/Indian in Harry Potter, where there is magic and witchcraft, but not to date someone in a different religion/ethnic group? WTF?