A Seminar for Bigots-in-Training

If I lived in Chicago…I’d be drunk after the Hawks won, but then I’d get business cards made up that said “Veritas: Secret Friendly Atheist Agent”. And then apply for this position.

“…potential to reverse years of pro-‘gay’ brainwashing in the schools and popular culture…”

This is so ironic because I used to think gay was ‘wrong’ when I was a Christian. I didn’t really feel it on a gut level, but that was what was preached, so I (disgustingly) went around like a parrot spouting off that gay marriage was wrong when the subject came up.

When I became an atheist, I had to stop and develop my own opinion of gay people and gay marriage, etc. I couldn’t come up with one valid reason it was any of my or anyone else’s business what anyone does with their own genitals as long as only consenting adults are involved. Then I let go of all my prejudices towards gays because it was clear they had developed only as a result of anti-gay propaganda and not from clear thinking.

BTW, I donated to Maine trying to legalize gay marriage and will go out of my way to support gays and gay marriage from now on because I am disgusted by the withholding of their civil rights and very disgusted that I used to be one of those brainwashed idiots who were against them. I shared how I concluded that it’s no-one’s business what gays do with their own bodies several times with my husband who is also Christian turned atheist. At first he remained somewhat anti-gay, but eventually I overheard him telling someone “it’s no-one’s business what they do…”. He also was unable to hold onto his unfounded prejudice against gays once the allegiance to Xianity was gone.

I never understood this so called homosexual “agenda” they are suppose to be distributing. Lets see… they want the right to be married. They want to be accepted. They want respect. They want people to mind their own business on what goes on in their bedrooms. (it isn’t even homosexuals that are attacked for what goes on in the bedroom!) Oh my goodness! AGENDA PUSHING! Stop being so obsessed with sex. They are usually the worst ones. He probably has a hidden room filled with porn.

I think it’s terrible that most Christians feel the need to treat people like dirt just because of their sexuality. I’ve read just about all of the Bible & I’ve never seen a verse that says it’s okay to spread hate, & to treat people like this.

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I would love to go if I lived any where near there, haha. Documenting crazy things like that are fun. =]

But the fact that this event even exists is incredibly depressing. Have any of these people ever met a gay guy or lesbian? If they have, I can’t understand how they could believe any of the hate spewed by groups like this.

They say gays are pushing an agenda, but they’re really the ones who are “aftah” gays.

Ho ho ho…sorry.

@Shelby Abel: Haven’t you read Leviticus 18:29? “Everyone who does any of these detestable things—such persons must be cut off from their people.” Plus stuff like stoning girls who have premarital sex.

There’s a fantastic story about Peter Labarbera over on Unreasonable Faith. The guy’s a real creeper.

“[T]he GLBT movement is destructive to America and a direct threat to our religious freedom.”

A threat to religious freedom? O RLY?

Because making religious-based laws that everyone has to follow regardless of their religion isn’t a threat at all.

Why do so many of these people imagine that a theocracy would tolerate and enforce even the most minor sectarian differences?

LaBarbera is probably a closeted gay man himself. Seriously, the number of gay events he goes to, supposedly for “research” purposes. Right. I wonder how long it’ll be before he’s outed in some sex scandal with another man. The more homophobic they are in public, the more likely they are to be sleeping with others of their sex in private.

Damn. I wish I lived in that area because this 16 year old atheist whould love to be your (wo)man on the inside.

Seconding what Jerad said 🙂

Whenever you refer to AFTAH in print, online, ANYWHERE, please preface their newly earned status from the Southern Poverty Law Center. AFTAH is a registered and certified HATE GROUP. Similar to the KKK and Aryan Nations. Make sure to mention this whenever they are mentioned. Not many people know….:)

Dear Judy (Sad For You),

If you had taken even a moment of time to go through the website, it would have been made clear to you that Hemant very carefully and very clearly has a professional life (as a teacher) and a personal life (everything else).

You know what I fear more than the thought of teachers teaching children to think critically? Everything else on the planet, including willfully ignorant people.

Educate yourself.

Will Homosexual Pseudoscience be Allowed to Redefine Society & it’s Moral Foundation?

First off, I am in no way aligned with the radical homosexual or religious agendas. I am writing about the valid reasons how this case can, how it already is, and how it cannot cause harm to society. Herein I will explain several issues: How and why Proponents of prop 8 have standing. The common sense reasons why prop 8 remains in effect after a federal judge found it unconstitutional. How the far-reaching aspects of the homosexual agenda is a threat and already causing harm in society. Why the word “marriage” is so important for the purpose of the homosexual agenda. How redefining that word is the doorway into the most far-reaching aspects of the agenda. And most importantly, to help you question how far are we willing to allow the science of psychology to redefine society’s moral foundation.

The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals had to grant an indefinite stay in the Prop 8 case because Judge Walker chose to ignore precedence and through judicial supremacy ruled same sex options to be more important than traditional ones, by ruling same sex relationships deserve the same rights and responsibilities as traditional marriages. That last part of the statement sounds fair until one starts digging deeper into this ruling. It took 136 pages for Walker, with the help of a few hand picked intellectuals, to arrogantly portray the majority and their representatives in this country as too ignorant to have any part in defining marriage. Homosexuals claim there is no reliable evidence that same-sex marriage is harmful to children, or that it is a threat to social stability, and due to that claim, they are demanding that the courts redefine social norms, because they are suffering from the current ones. Addressing this in the way the homosexual activists demand causes harm and suffering to heterosexuals! Marriage is only phase 1 of the gay agenda, and the agenda is in itself, irrational, immoral and unconstitutionally discriminatory to heterosexuals.

There is only one valid argument acceptable by the heterosexual majority in this country, and that is to allow gays to get economic benefits from the government traditionally granted to married couples,…by the government. Now there are no other “acceptable” benefits afforded homosexuals by redefining traditional marriage, morality and societies moral foundation.

Judge Walker and gay activists want to plant in my mind gay marriage is equal to things like the abolition of slavery, or women overcoming patriarchy! Well that just gives the gay side a false sense of credibility by exploiting those past struggles. Furthermore, I am insulted by the racist attitude of Judge Walker that claims I don’t know any better. Gay activists are showing there true colors to label my concerns as irrational! They claim anyone who opposes their view is a bigot or homophobe! They think that helps justify their actions, but it’s clearly not reality. What is Judge Walkers 136 page reasoning? Logic would dictate Judge walker now believes it’s gays right because some carefully selected PhD’s conclude evolutionary psychology, due to existence of homosexuality, is a better alternative to a Constitution? I am not religious but OMG! One activist, who is also a judge, knows better about all things moral and political! Well if that is the case Mr. Walker you are truly in the best position possible for a gay activist, but as a judge, are also so wrong. How dare you marginalize all opponents to your point of view! Its blatantly obvious your actions as a judge show only homosexual ideas of moral guidelines are of importance to you.

It’s obvious the hired professionals/intellectuals for the religious or gay side behave in a way that shows they only care about factors recognized by the cause they are working for, and the resulting intellectual ideology established, dismissing any factors not controllable and recognized by the extremist agendas. That leads me to the fact these people, due to conflicts of interest, are not acting intelligently, they are acting stupid, selfish, or narrow minded, making them just salespeople of the most far-reaching aspects of especially, the homosexual agenda. Now that is what exposes the close mindedness and racist attitude of that agenda.

The reason the heterosexual majority has had enough is because our societies moral guidelines have already been compromised/pushed to a questionable limit, and it was a minority that has pushed that agenda on everyone else. Here we go again, using lots of money…using a good law firm…using an activist judge who has “lost sight” of the ethical limitations of the court. For the government to take full responsibility and embrace every right the homosexual agenda demands, it would have to take into consideration the reality of each individual homosexuals feelings by addressing the enormity of the extent to which today’s society erodes their capacity to feel normal/accepted. Given that reality, it explains the following: During these debates I have had with gay activists online, I have been told, on more than one occasion, “that based on my stance and the issues I raise, it is obvious Jeff, you are blatantly homophobic, And that is associated with homosexual arousal that you are denying, its been proven, so don’t be afraid its normal” Well my first reaction was, HAHAHAHAHA! This explains why I cannot have a rational conversational with homosexual active extremists! I am not laughing anymore because the deeper I look into this agenda the more I realize how sinister it is becoming. The study they are using is from the journal of abnormal psychology and it is apparent the homosexual activists are even redefining homophobia to fit into their agenda. The study concludes “Homophobia is apparently associated with homosexual arousal that the homophobic individual is either unaware of or denies“ http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8772014

This explains the twisted justification they use to force this on all heterosexuals, and even more disturbingly onto their children, against their will! UNBELIVEABLE!!!

No one thinking rationally can think unlimited redefining of societies moral guidelines, so the homosexuals feel better about their life, is the best solution to this! Follow the logic….where would it end?

Really where will it end? A line must be drawn! That trend, enshrined as a rights issue, has led us to the present far-reaching part of the homosexual agenda which is subversive not only of morality, but of social order. It is now blatantly obvious homosexual activists are not simply consenting adults doing no harm behind closed doors, but intent on enshrining their practices as rights above everyone else in society.

Combining homosexual life styles to redefine societal norms, to redefine the important values regarding men and woman in child-rearing, to redefine what is harmful regarding the majorities moral guidelines, and to redefine the value of traditional marriage is in no way within the judiciaries subject matter jurisdiction, that’s why we had such a one sided 136 page trial, and the public deserves better, and will get it from the supreme court! 99% of all debates I have had with gays on websites refuse to acknowledge the far-reaching agenda I am so concerned with. No matter how well informed my questions and examples are, no matter how complex an understanding they were based on, In the end the most popular names I have been called are; bigot, homophobe, religious, nazi, moron, racist, and clever hater. No matter how loud their rhetoric gets, I will not shut up and accept redefining marriage and morality. I will not put my morals and culture aside and openly accept the stage set for an anything goes society and not see the legal, cultural, and political consequences to follow this precedent. After marriage is conquered, the activists would not shut up, because redefining marriage is just the doorway into the far-reaching agenda to redefine.

Like many Americans, I am completely disinterested in other “adults” sexual behavior. If two people of the same sex want to love each other I DON’T CARE. I would venture to say its not the average Joe blow homosexual that is obsessed with redefining marriage…it’s the activist extremists!

To communicate or debate, one has to decide what their issue is with prop 8, gay marriage or judicial activism to redefine social norms?.

According to judge walker the current “credible” motivation for banning gays and lesbians from marrying is a desire to mark them as second-class citizens. No Judge Walker, the “credible” motivation is to stop the activists far-reaching agenda!

You will not change societal norms to conform to your agenda, or the ancient traditional foundation that exists. Do non-activist gays really think a piece of paper will change anything? Well for me I found that kind of ownership of another person just makes life more complicated. Well as a divorced agnostic, its easy for me to feel that way emotionally! Also, you never heard me complain with my choice to become a minority as a single dad back in the 1990s with custody of my kids. I was discriminated across the board compared to single moms, so I have some personal experience with discrimination.

I wish this country could be up in arms working together over something sooooo much more important then redefining societal values to conform to a gay activist agenda? Like decades of sloppy capitalism, and all its trickle down effects that has our country in such a terrible economic mess? We need to wake up collectively and look what’s happening to our country?…look where we are at? Shouldn’t there be hundreds of other more relevant issues to get this country up in arms? Perhaps this issue will open eyes and minds? Yeah, I know I am changing the subject……Hello!

Now if the issue for you is solely gay marriage, weather for or against it, then you are talking about your own life/emotions, and regardless if this decision is in your favor or not, that blinds you. That’s what the populous does! Again, wake up and look what’s happening to our country….look where we are!

There is an issue here bigger than, beliefs, religion, homophobia, sin, or gay marriage, all of that is just the stage!! My interest here is what is going on behind this gay smokescreen? What’s that? It’s the constitution being manipulated to fit a judicial agenda to change society for people in the populous like themselves! Well, constitutional interpretation or reconstructing the constitution for gays certainly will not be left to unrestricted judicial activism.

The majority in this country including the current liberal president have shown they have had enough and will not sit back and concur with Judicial inability to recognize its limitations as a political entity, arrogantly undermining democratic favor.

Society cannot separate due to physical traits. It does separate based on things that society deems immoral or dangerous. If this is discrimination, which side or who defines morality?, defines what is harmful?, defines an individuals moral guidelines? defines homophobia? Each side has different definitions! As I stated above, I have been repeatedly referred to by gay activists as a homophobe, only on the basis for expressing the issues raised here.

Why is that?
They claim their opinion is fact rooted in science, dismissing everything I say as fear mongering.
I claim their facts are nonsense rooted in the distorted pseudoscience of evolutionary psychology!

So who decides which sides opinions are the facts to lead society? So, as a result of this, many on both sides of the issues are condescending and belittling the other, what a waste of time. To communicate or debate our words need to have the same meaning or were not speaking the same language and we get nowhere, for example look at the abortion debate.

How far do gay activists think the supreme court will break down the majority of citizens conventional ideas of societal norms and morality? Certainly not as far as gay activists envision! We will find an acceptable limit that does not discriminate against society, by allowing benefits. Will the Supreme court decide for society the definition of correct and moral behavior for all mindsets? No way, because we are still a constitutional representative democracy. Gay activists want the supreme court to rule we as a society are ready to “evolve” into something more radical then we already have, meaning they want to decided for society that we are beyond those old outdated parameters and ready for their vision!

Perhaps we currently living through two battles? One between the Constitution and the judges?, the other, supreme law and the judiciary? We shall see! Activist judges know they have judicial immunity, so Walker knows he is immune from lawsuit and has, as an activist, decided to just go for it! That should be illegal!

Judge Walker says: “the ruling struck down Proposition 8 as a violation of federal constitutional guarantees of equal protection and due process”

So if it’s unconstitutional to prohibit same sex marriage…. Using that same ideology is it even more unconstitutional to force this on all of society? Now, if “moral disapproval” violates constitutional rights as Judge walker stated, then he is contradicting himself? Constitutional politics is known to, and accepted to use, persuasion to initiate change. This Judge has just used political coercion to change the moral guidelines for all.. He has personally, through the court, used the morality of rights from a minority, to displace the morality of consent with all of California.

I would say every time judicial supremacy replaces constitutional supremacy It goes against our best ideals constitutionally, that is regarding the intended understanding of the values outlined in our founding documents, and we alter the constitution without public acceptance and or awareness. This supremacy is a slippery slope, and will lead to more problems that are significant, to the point where someday we may end up a dictatorship. California has already voted twice that marriage is the union of a man and a woman and approved Prop 8. 30 states have voted the same, over 60 million Americans. I accept the current benchmark of our citizens individual voting preferences to prevent homosexuality from redefining society, do you?

I project that if the supreme court (which will not happen) forces this down society’s throat, with all the societal changes that would follow…..for example, heterosexual children being taught that homosexuality, through the science of psychology, forced through the judiciary, with their tax dollars, will redefine their children’s moral guidelines, and teach them homosexuality is healthy life choice! What would be the result? That kind of tactic (and it has already started) would prove disastrous for the gay agenda. The current modern acceptance that has taken many years to evolve for accepting homosexuality, by the heterosexual majority in this country, would now be forced backwards due to the homosexuals extremist agenda! You cannot force change of moral guidelines.

Here is another example of the force: These links show a disturbing reality already happening in this country where gay marriage has been legalized. Proving the far reaching agenda is already underway to redefine social norms & morality.
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen/10c/youth_pride/bagly_flier/index.html
http://www.massnews.com/past_issues/other/11_Nov/baglyped.htm

As anyone can see it is blatantly obvious this far-reaching agenda, with the goal of redefining societies moral guidelines, will cause “harm” to heterosexuals and proves the proponents of prop 8 have standing.

There has long been a private world protected by:
– the image of mystical thinking (religion)
– superior intelligence (science/pseudoscience)
– civil rights, that activists abuse use to justify/hide extremist agendas.

We are evolving into more of a thinking society, rather than a society driven primarily by a religious belief system. That is the reason, as a responsible member of society, I am not allowing my own moral guidelines to be dictated by activists from either side!

Acknowledging the issues raised here on a societal level would certainly expose the homosexuals activist agenda. And that could lead to a constitutional amendment that would eliminate same-sex marriage in all states. In the end, regardless of political pressure applied from homosexual or religious bias, the decision handed down by the highest court in the land will reflect a common sense decision, and that decision will not unilaterally overturn the will of the people for a homosexual or religious cause. Furthermore, that decision may be to avoid making a decision at all, and leave it to states! At that point I project the gay activists, with their media proponents, will continue on. And no matter how many PhD’s create homosexual facts, they cannot and will not force change of moral guidelines to support their agenda, and will just continue “marching” in the same direction spewing rhetoric!!!