Stephen Baldwin Would Rather His Daughter Die than Lie About Jesus

“Umm… so, in other words, if a crazy man wanted to kill his daughter, Baldwin would rather have her killed than have her tell what he believes is a lie about Jesus.”

Don’t you know…better to die at the hands of a maniac and go to heaven to praise your invisible sky monster forever than to piss off the all merciful and loving sky monster and have him banish you to eternal punishment. After all, an omnibenevolent and omnicient god can neither understand nor tolerate a lie to save your own skin from death at the hands of a clearly deranged lunatic.

“I know that soundbyte is supposed to show what a “good Christian” he is and how “faithful” he is (as if that’s a virtue)… but all it shows me is that he’s unfit to be a parent.”

It does demonstrate what a “good xtian” he is. I think more and more people are starting to realize that a “good xtian” is often diametrically opposed to a “good person.”

Or 72 white raisins.

This is actually a requirment of Orothodox Judaism (OJ). It is repeatedly emphasized in OJ that there are three things you should die for
1) Idolatry
2) Murder
3) Sex crimes

This reminds me of how when I was growing up as a Christian in my parents’ church, I often heard the Christians frequently teach us how if a murderer came into the church building and threaten us to either renounce our faith or die, we were supposed to be wiling to die for Jesus and be honest about our faith. One thing I’ve noticed though is that I haven’t heard them saying this any in recent years, so maybe they realized how insane this sounds.

-It’s not the first time I’ve heard of Christians willing to die (or let someone else die) rather than (temporarily) lie about their beliefs.-

Sadly, the most common situation is one where they are willing to sacrifice others and not themselves.
Not long ago, a woman let her child die from a disease while she prayed for a cure, yet a few months later she was in an emergency room to get herself treated for abdominal strain.
I can almost guarantee the same concept would occur with baldwin, if the guns pointed at her she should stand up for god, if at him he’ll readily proclaim anything he’s told to.

Baldwin’s daughters will be 14 and 17 this year. I wonder how they feel privately about Dad aggrandizing himself at their expense with this hypothetical child sacrifice.

Gee, thanks Dad. Sure is great to know what you’ll give up to preserve your personal religious integrity. Like for instance, …me.

Oh yeah, that’s sad but not at all surprising. We did a study on Cassie whoever, the girl who said she believed in Jesus at Columbine and got killed for it. There was even a book about it, “She Said Yes.” We were constantly challenged to think very hard about how we would answer that question. I always felt guilty because I knew there was no way I’d say I believed in him if someone was going to shoot me for it. I was clearly a terrible Christian and they’re probably glad to be rid of me.

Christians love martyrdom. It’s freaky.

One of the stranger things about some Christians is that they see this as a good thing and that they see it as proof of their god’s existence. “Why would so many people die for Jesus if he wasn’t real?” they cry. “Because they believe something to be true doesn’t actually make it true” I reply. Do they listen though? do they hell.

Why is that when I read the exchange, I see Baldwin saying “Well, honey.. you have two thugs threatening you. One is threatening to kill you, the other is threatening to give you eternal torment and suffering, but he also loves you. You know what to do…”

Yeah, I remember watching those apocalypse movies, and knowing my parents would both martyr themselves and us kids rather than say they didn’t believe in Jesus. My mom said it would be REALLY hard, but she would have to do it. It was (and still is–I cannot IMAGINE doing that to my own daughter) actually pretty awful, but I know they meant it because they have sacrificed in some ways their relationship with my brother and me rather than even examine whether or not maybe my brother and I have some good reasons. But we’re just “rebelling”!

The concept is based on a verse in the Bible that says Jesus will deny in heaven who denies him on Earth. Guess St. Peter is burning in hell then!

He so doesn’t get my vote for father of the year. Psychopathic git of the year, though…..

Actually casimir, muslims are allowed to lie to infidels. The reasoning is that the infidel is a godless reprobate (doesn’t matter if they have a god btw)and would never hold to their own agreement, therefore, an adherent of islam may lie to them because the infidel would just lie to gain advantage anyway.

Brother Alec had some father-daughter issues also. Then there’s super-xtian, Mel Gibson with his shenanigans, and all those funny-hair, funny-suit Sunday morning guys crowing away and making tons of bucks via naive believers. On the radio there have been many wackos getting poor folks to send them the green. Ah! Entertainment, death, religion, and other forms of consumer fraud; Not to mention the cause and effect of religion as it relates to war throughout history.

Actually casimir, muslims are allowed to lie to infidels. The reasoning is that the infidel is a godless reprobate (doesn’t matter if they have a god btw)and would never hold to their own agreement, therefore, an adherent of islam may lie to them because the infidel would just lie to gain advantage anyway.

[citation needed]

If you’re going to say something like that, you’ll need to cite your sources. I mentioned it was in the hadith earlier, here’s some background, apparently there are supporting verses in the Koran itself. I have yet to see anything that supports the idea that Muslims can just tell any bald-faced lie to infidels, but rather they can only lie in certain sensible situations.

The Pilgrimage 22:30 So shun the filth of idols, and shun lying speech,

The Troops 39:60 And on the Day of Resurrection thou (Muhammad) seest those who lied concerning Allah with their faces blackened. Is not the home of the scorners in hell?

The Ranks 61:7 And who doeth greater wrong than he who inventeth a lie against Allah when he is summoned unto Al-Islam ? And Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk.

The Quran says lying is bad, even about Allah.

On general principles I would agree that lying is not a good thing but because we’re not limited by Iron Age or medieval thinking we can be reasonable about the subject. We can apply moral rules to a situation and decide which is more appropriate. In my mind anything you say or do under the threat of death except perhaps killing an innocent is permissible. A live body gets to attempt to repair any harm done with their lies. A dead body doesn’t gain anything from the truth and has already lost everything of value.

We don’t need to waste time worrying about people who are willing to die for Jesus. All of us science minded folk know that the chance of facing that choice in real life is less than the chance of getting hit by lightning twice in the same spot and winning the mega lottery six times in a row. They will live long healthy lives telling everyone how brave they are. Also, everyone knows that actors are idiots. That’s why someone else has to write their lines for them. The real problem is the people willing to KILL for their religion.

Lets stay focused on the real problem, People!

I suspect Baldwin is just lying his ass about what he would do. Sure, some people might actually sacrifice their daughter (or themselves), but they must be rare compared to those who would say they would.

The history of Christian martyrdom is mostly a myth. But the religious culture still glorifies martyrdom in a manner that makes some people actually sacrifice their lives and many people sacrifice smaller things. I see it as a gross misexpression of human tribal loyality instinct.

I may be off base, but I recall a recent guest on Bill Maher’s (?)show saying that the captured journalists Steve Centanni and Olaf Wiig renounced Christ to survive were not Real Christians. Easy to sit on a couch and say what you’d do faced with that situation, isn’t it?

Xtian martyrdom is based on “sacred tradition” moreso than Biblical text: as Laura pointed out above, Peter denied Christ and was still the rock upon which the church was built. But as usual, folks like Baldwin don’t understand what they purport to believe in, and have created god in their own image.

“Odd that his daughters shouldn’t lie about their belief in Jesus, but its perfectly fine to lie about evolution.

The double standard is almost too much.”

It seems that the Ninth Commandment is actually more of a guideline…

Tony Wrote: “…The double standard is almost too much…It seems that the Ninth Commandment is actually more of a guideline…”

Good point, Tony!

Not only are so-called Christians ignoring the Ten Commandments but they are making up stuff that isn’t there. Its like they are sticking their thumb in gods eye when they add stuff such as new 11th commandment: ” God hats fags” How stupid do christians think God is to have completely forgotten to forbid homosexuality in the ten commandments? I can see God slapping his forhead right now saying “Doh!!!, I forgot that one!”

Likewise, I don’t see anywhere in the Ten Commandments where God forbids a believer from denying his existence in order to prevent a homicide. So how much trouble will you really get into with God when you are standing there on the judgment day and everyone sees that you lied about your faith (not specifically forbidden in the ten commandments) in order to stop a killing which is clearly forbidden by the Ten commandments?

You see, God knows what’s in your heart while Stephen Baldwin only knows what comes across your lips.

The problem is not with God or the Ten Commandments. The problem is Christens. They are stupid, arrogant, deceitful and completely selfish. In fact, those so-called “Christians” are not really Christians at all according to Matthew 7:22.

I’m willing to bet that most of us have never really met a real Christian because clearly you can’t become one by merely saying it with your voice, you must BELIEVE it in your heart.

and…. God knows if you are lying.

I would like to see more atheists stand up and challenge so-called Christians who are clearly ignoring the Ten Commandments. We should stop them from pretending that they are Christians when clearly they are not.