Why Do Atheists Loathe the Baby Jesus? He’s Just a Baby

Minor correction there: if I learned anything from my Catholic education, it’s that Christmas is not the most sacred Christian festival – Easter is.

Christmas, however, is the one you need to hang your hat on if you’re trying to court controversy. AHA knows that and so does Bill and his two elfs.

Well, I have to wonder how many atheists watch O’Reilly, but sure, it’s publicity.

(1) His war on the war on Christmas gets into other media.
(2) Atheists have to sit in waiting rooms, visit right-wing relatives, etc.

Let’s not be disingenuous, Hemant. The folks in the poster are wearing Santa hats. Now, of course, Santa is a secular character (although with some ties to a Saint…for what that’s worth), and not associated with Baby Jesus, which must be at the root of what blows lumps of coal up theistic butts (It’s CHRISTmas!!!).

Yet another ‘of course’, I’m absolutely onside with the AHA and their campaign to promote the idea that one need not have faith to be good, nor to enjoy the “Christmas spirit” – trees and gift giving and liberally spiked egg nog…

AND, the arguments spouted by the shouting, arrogant, bitter old loofah bag ARE stupid, backward nonsense designed to appeal to the FNC demographic…which I shall not further disparage.

Nevertheless, the temporal coincidence of Eid, Hannukah, Christmas and Kwanza (whatever the hell that is) does not detract from the fact that this particular ad is designed to piggy back on a religious holiday…AS IT WELL SHOULD.

The ad is NOT disrespectful to anyone’s faith or desire to celebrate the birth of Christ. It merely states that there are plenty of us who have no dog in the hunt when it comes to singing Silent Night (disclaimer: I love singing carols…many seem to have been written just for my natural baritone. I digress…)

Further, were I trying to get out such a message, I would legitimately and wisely choose just that time of year when the faithful are all running about most commonly yammering about their little swaddling leprechaun.
A rather slapdash analogy might be a marketing campaign targeting women which ran during Super Bowl week (if you’ll forgive the assumption that most of those wrapped up in NFL football are men).
“Husband staring at the TV? Bring the girls and come down to the SPA on Super Bowl Sunday! Free Clinque gift bags!”
It doesn’t prevent anyone from watching the game, does it? It merely speaks to those with no interest in football.

The arrogance of their position – that in order to celebrate Christmas one must bow down before the cross – is beyond the comprehension of Bill O’Reilly and the audience to which he speaks. They, of course, would be offended were they to find themselves in a Muslim country and be forced to fast for Ramadan, but the cognitive dissonance with the stridently Christian is strong.

Nevertheless, while it is true that bus signs and billboards have been going up all over the place and at all times, let’s not deny the design of THIS ad is precisely to take advantage of a religious holiday.
It IS, and there’s nothing wrong with that. No more than the Jew, Muslim or Hindu who operates a shop in which is sold wrapping paper, ornaments and Christmas cards.

It’s sensationalism/shock jock reporting and that’s all Fox News is really about.

There is no War on Christmas. It’s entirely manufactured by Fox News and Christian Evangelicals. The only time anyone gets grief for using the wrong holiday greeting is if they don’t say the word “Christmas.”

I’ve challenged my friends when they tsk tsk about how everyone’s attacking Christmas…”Who have you ever heard say that we shouldn’t say ‘Merry Christmas?’ What organization is out there campaigning against celebrating Christmas?”

At first they tell me I’m crazy, because “everyone knows there’s a War on Christmas,” but if they think about it, they start to realize they don’t know.

Sometimes they say “the ACLU,” but the ACLU has actually fought for people’s right to celebrate Christmas in public ways (as long as it’s not government-sponsored and sectarian). If it isn’t the ACLU, PFAW, Americans United, the AA, the AHA, or any of the secular group, who the hell is fighting a war?

Sorry…this is getting to be a pet peave of mine. I can’t believe the entire FOX-watching country falls for this bull every frigging year.

Now, can someone tell me where in the Bible they mention Christmas?

Jeremiah 10: 3-4 – “3 For the customs of the peoples are worthless; they cut a tree out of the forest, and a craftsman shapes it with his chisel. 4 They adorn it with silver and gold; they fasten it with hammer and nails so it will not totter.”

I actually like the Christmas Nativity story. I think for a sun god birth myth it’s fairly sweet. It’s certainly far better than the Easter story which is centers so much on torture and death. (The version of the nativity in Matthew is marred a bit by the whole “then God let Herod kill off all of the Jewish babies while Jesus’s parents were hiding out in Egypt” bit that Matthew tacked on. But there are worse myths.) And it’s a better deal than, say, Horus got. At least there’s no necrophilia in the Jesus myth, and the manger scene looks nice on cards and sitting out on people’s front lawns.

I actually get a big chuckle out of Christians getting so offensive and belligerent at Christmas time. It’s pretty much the sweetest holiday in the entire Christian calendar – there’s no focus on death, you don’t hear about Hell at Christmas, and there’s a strong encouragement to focus on thoughts of giving to others and remembering your own family. Sure it’s a holiday they inherited from pagans and reworked to fit their own needs, but it’s a nice holiday that puts forward a lot of ideas that anyone can see are good ones (which is why it’s probably the most popular secular holiday in the US). And yet some Christians just love to turn the sweetest holiday on their calendar into a time to wallow in their own self-righteousness and sense of entitlement. Stuff like that used to tick me off when I identified myself as a Christian. Nowadays it just makes me laugh at the absurdity of it all.

No God? …No problem.

Who are the ones with the problem then?

AWESOME!

Anything Bill 0’Reilly is against makes it look better. Bill0 needs to do more of these segments about atheism, once a week.

And for me, I like watching Bill0. He doesn’t make my blood-pressure rise. I think he’s entertaining. Especially when he can’t tell one of his blonde bimbo cohosts from the other! Neither can I!!

Those “blonde bimbos” were smarter than O’Reilly unless you recognize that his “theory” is really all about getting better ratings… then he is actually a bit clever (although also a bit immoral).

Personally, I don’t have anything against the baby Jesus. I just don’t like calling something a “duck” when something is not a “duck”.

@ Modern Girl

I actually think that if there was a parallel ad regarding the Superbowl, it’d be this:

An add with people wearing football jerseys, and sports logo typed font face, and text that said something like, “You can be super without watching the superbowl. Be a team player and spend Sunday doing something for humanity”

Now, if that ad came out, would it be considered anti-football? Would it be considered anti-American? Woud it be offensive?

I dunno about anti-American…but it’s definitely anti-football. Your ad asks people who would otherwise watch the game not to do so.
I don’t think the bus ad does anything of the sort as regards Christmas.

I submit that in order for your analogy to be accurate, the atheist bus ad would have to suggest that people forego Christmas…and that WOULD be anti-Christmas.

It does not ask anyone who wants to celebrate Jesus not to do so; it isn’t even aimed at them. It is aimed at people who are already “without god”, just as my hypothetical was aimed at those who are already uninterested in football.

If you want to celebrate Christ, fill your boots. If you want to watch the game, go for it.
I’m in for the rummy egg nog, and I don’t much care what anyone else gets up to so long as they don’t force it on me.

The concept of the Trinity is hard enough to wrap your head around without having to see Jesus as both baby and adult at the same time. That’s just psycho.

I always liked the line in the Jim Croce song, Which Way Are You Going, that says:

You say you love the baby
But you crucify the man.

“Sorry…this is getting to be a pet peave of mine. I can’t believe the entire FOX-watching country falls for this bull every frigging year.”

Charlie, I’m a xtian, and it’s a pet peeve of mine, as well. The folks promoting the so-called war aren’t concerned particularly about people saying, “happy holidays”; instead they focus on retailers who don’t instruct their employees to say “Merry Christmas”. The store owners could be axe-murderers secretly selling crack out the back door, but as long as they prominently display a creche while they hoover out your bank account, fine and dandy!

It just seems so many Christians have to be outraged about something but willfully look away from man’s inhumanity to man or any real suffering, and create some bullshit that they can “battle” and feel good about. I usually say something along the lines of: you can wear your WWJD stuff anywhere, wear crosses around your neck, politicians pander to you, radio and TV networks are dedicated to your view, and entire schools and universities exist to propagate your teachings. And yet somehow you’re persecuted?

Celebrate. Don’t celebrate. But stop pretending this isn’t about $$s, Bill. The rest of us will enjoy the pretty lights and look for some goodwill to man.

“…by the way Gallop says 93% of Americans identify and celebrate Christmas. 93% of Americans are not Christians. “

Well isn’t that kind of the point of the ad? Happy atheists in Santa hats, kind of celebrating Christmas, as in “No God? No problem”. This is not a war on Christmas it’s a call for inclusiveness. I am a lifelong atheist and most years observe some sort of holiday cheer and often on December 25th to boot, (okay I’ll admit some years I skip the whole thing but not all that often). Many years I even have a tree. In fact last Friday I attended a tree trimming party at a large company that manufactures and sells sex toys! I don’t know everyone’s religious beliefs at this place, but they are for all appearances a pretty secular lot. The company has a beautiful kitchen and after work on Friday a bunch of us got together and cooked a wonderful meal and sat around the large dining table and enjoyed our feast. Afterwards we decorated the offices with garlands and lights and trimmed a great big Christmas tree with traditional American Christmas music blaring the whole time, (fine the music was a bit annoying but some of them wanted that holiday feeling). No God, No problem. They were all good people and we had a good time. As a result I find myself all full of “Christmas spirit” even this early in the month. This same company is planning an official Christmas party in a few weeks. So fine you Foxes you can count me and the three happy people in the ad and a whole bunch of other atheists among that “93% of American who identify and celebrate Christmas”, some of us just do it without God, big deal. Christians don’t have an exclusive hold on Christmas. We all know, (yes even the Christians) it’s a winter solstice event that has been going on in some form for quite a long time, something to hold us over until the vernal equinox, it’s fun in the face of winter and anyone can jump in and celebrate, some wish to inject their gods into it, some don’t. As to the suggestion that the ad is a “direct and deliberate smear against Christianity” that is just a flat out bizarre persecution complex fueled by those troublesome polls Gretchen mentions, “more and more Americans are atheist and agnostic, and they’re seeing that growing movement…” they are beginning to reject “what comes with Christianity… traditional values”. Well okay sure if your goal is to have everybody fall in line with your beliefs and values I can see how that might make you feel like there is some kind of war going on even if you are the only one fighting in this war. But less people following your dictate does not really amount to a war. As for Mr. O’Reilly thinking we are jealous that is, again, just bizarre, “what do atheists have in December” ah let’s see Bill… give me a minute… oh yeah, Christmas, we get presents, we have fun, we have a celebration. The talking head women have that right, come on Bill “you don’t think atheists exchange presents?” , and the this little gem, (to Bill) “I think you’re nuts, I think you’re crazy” I guess every now and then the truth slips out on Fox” News”.

Quite honestly, I found Anakin annoying from his whiny little boy stage to his insufferable teenage brat stage.

Yeah, but he really only got bad once he opened his mouth. He looked cute when he was just a poster.

The ads are mere propaganda that answers to an argument that no one has made. The claim is not that atheists lack of morals but lack of moral premise, lack of ethos.

It is also a reprinting of their ads from last year:
http://atheismisdead.blogspot.com/2008/11/another-atheist-charity-huge-success.html

Yet again, during a time of the year when people are generally more inclined towards charity—peace on earth and good will towards non-gender specific personages—atheists are busily collecting hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of dollars during a time of recession not in order to help anyone in real material need but in order to purchase bill boards and bus ads whereby they seek to demonstrate, to themselves, just how clever they are—need any more be said?

It’s a good thing that Bill started talking over one of his lackies there. They came dangerously close to a real point.

“By the way, Gallup says, 93% of Americans identify and celebrate Christmas. 93% of Americans are not Christian!”

If you think about this, this paints the holiday in a very different light than just a solemn religious celebration that Bill and Fiends seem to want to paint. Take away those who religiously don’t celebrate holidays (like JWs), or those that celebrate rival holidays that occupy the same calendar days (like Hanukkah), and you’re left with a lot of non-Christians celebrating a holiday for secular reasons.

I liked the fatwa-envy, too. ‘They wouldn’t dare say something like this about MUSLIMS!!!!!‘ They can, and would. This veiled threat does not seem to exemplify the values Christians like to say their religion teaches.

I’m just still laughing at this. You heard it. Bill O’Reilly admitted the Christ Child was “just a baby”! We Atheists should be playing this clip all over the damned place!

Even those two vacant headed Malibu barbies laughed at him and called him crazy. If even they can’t take him seriously, do we have anything to fear from him.

I think I’ll keep laughing.

Most of the great stuff about xmas is secular or based on pagan traditions. Cutting the tree down and decorating it, gift swapping, celebration of the season, the feast, etc. I’m sure xmas cards have more to do with Hallmark than christianity. Christmas caroling started with beggars looking for a handout.

The boring stuff, going to church, which almost no one does, is due to Christianity.

Same goes for the other “Christian” holidays stolen from the pagans.

Isn’t Christmas mentioned in the Old Testament? lol

Seriously, it seems the publicity these people crave and how they are so offended by a neutral message that isn’t even directed at them. Most of these “No God” ads are directed at people that are already atheists.

Once again, it’s the fear that their fairly tale-laced majority will somehow decline if people feel like they can be freethinkers.