A Quiverfull Family Expands A Bit More… April 13, 2009

A Quiverfull Family Expands A Bit More…

The Duggar family — mom, dad, 18 children — is about to get one person larger.

A grandchild is entering the mix.

Josh Duggar said he and his wife haven’t yet picked out a name, but are leaning toward establishing a theme with the future children’s names.

“We’re pretty sure we’re not going to go with J,” Josh Duggar said.

… He said he and his new wife are frequently asked whether they’ll have a large family.

“We have committed leaving that area up to God as far as our family size,” he said.

Think about this scenario: If the grandparent Duggars have another child — and you know they will — the grandchild will be older than the child.

The grandchild will have to call the younger child an aunt or uncle.

This is just f’ed up… Apparently, this is more commonplace than I thought…

(Thanks to Benjamin for the link!)


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  • I wouldn’t say it was “f’ed up”. I know of quite a few people who have had 2-3 children, but with a gap of 20 years between the eldest and the youngest, perhaps more.

    It’s odd yeah, but only because the Duggar’s are already an odd family.

  • Erp

    That isn’t all that uncommon though usually with less kids. It is the time difference between eldest and youngest child which can be 20+ years (first kid at 18 or so and last kid in the late 40s).

    My own family tree has a case with a sister and brother. The sister’s granddaughter ended up raising the brother’s son. He married late and became a father at about age 65 and his wife died in childbirth. Initially his niece (nearly 60) took over raising the kid but she died and so her daughter (already 30), the brother’s great-niece, took over.

  • GG

    Large families with age differences (like the younger uncle situation which is not terribly uncommon) aren’t “f’d up”.

    I do think that much of the Quiverfull lifestyle is shocking and totally against what I personally value, but until I see a reason to look down on the Duggar family in particular, I don’t want to cast judgment on them. As long as they’re healthy, happy, valuing each individual, and good members of society… I have no beef.

  • Arlo

    Harvey Danger:

    Been around the world and found
    That only stupid people are breeding
    The cretins cloning and feeding
    And I don’t even own a tv

    (So, I don’t plan on having any kids… that’s 0!!! I can’t even minus-out this family and have -18 kids…)

  • My aunt had her 3rd child at 39, her other two children were 17 and 19 at the time. None have kids but very well could have.

    I’ve said before my grandparents (who were definitely not quiverful) had a Duggar sized family with a 30 year difference between the oldest and youngest. I have several cousins older or the same age as the youngest 3.

    It’s unusual but f’d up it is not. Of course I think the Duggar family is f’d up but in their beliefs just not this particular occurance.

    Edit: I will say it can be confusing for kids. I called some of my older cousins aunt or uncle until I was probably 8 or 9 and so did most of the other kids around my age.

  • “We have committed leaving that area up to God as far as our family size,” he said.

    So in other words, YES!

  • River

    I have to agree with a niece/nephew being older than her/his aunt/uncle is not f’d up. Granted it’s odd, and I would never wish to do that myself, but not f’d up.

    But then, my perceptions might be clouded by living among Mormons and Catholics for a number of years. I thought it was cool to be able to go to school with one’s indirect line relatives. (Note: was never a member of either, and come from a small family.)

  • Raul

    The f’ed up thing is that if all the children have 20 kids of their own, there’s going to be almost 400 grandchildren.

  • mvanstav

    See Hemant, it’s moments like this that made me comment that you’re not always nice. You always mean well, but you just pissed off a lot of people with the f’ed up comment.
    My extended family is quite large, and growing up I always thought it was fun to try to trace who was in which generation. We just call everyone a cousin if we’re not sure how we’re related, which makes it simpler, but there’s definitely some generational mixing going on, and it never seemed strange.
    That being said, while I think large families are great, *shudders* Quiverfull… When I have kids, I plan to adopt to get my big family. Seems like the planet is too small for everyone to take every bit they can get. Wish the Quiverfull people could see it as something to share, rather than something to compete for. But I don’t understand it well enough to be very critical.

  • «bønez_brigade»

    I’m voting for “rather f’ed up” for this clown-car parade, mainly b/c of the all resources they’ll devour, and also b/c they’re advancing such a patriarchal system.
    If Quiverfullers want to be more ethical whilst attempting to fill up their goddamn quivers, they should opt for adoption, instead.

    ———

    Also, @mvanstav,
    Nobody above really sounded “pissed off” — they just appeared to not be in agreement with Hemant’s take on this story.

  • Not so much effed up as weird to most people. I met a family once when I was about 7 that had an uncle younger than a neice – I think. It was a long time ago.

    Raul said,

    The f’ed up thing is that if all the children have 20 kids of their own, there’s going to be almost 400 grandchildren.

    Jesuschristsuperstar that’s a lot of breeding. In the future, the world will be able to trace their ancestry back to the Jolie-Pitts, the Sulemans and the Duggars. (Pretty sure that’s my interpretation of a joke, but I can’t remember who said the original.)

  • Well as long as they’re not going to call the kid ‘J’, because that would just be silly.

  • I have to include myself in one the “Hey, that is not so f’ed up” category. The reason I say this is because I am 18 months younger than my niece. I have a better relationship with my niece than I do my oldest brother (but he’s a butthead anyways and a rabid republican fundie; convinced I’m going to hell). On the flip side, I don’t get the quiverfull movement because I was adopted (as were 6 of my brothers and sisters, the oldest one aka butthead was the only biological child my parents were able to produce).

  • cassiek

    Also in the “not f’ed up” camp here. My parents had me when they were barely 20, and divorced when I was 10. My mom remarried when I was 18, and had my sister a few years later. I was already married and expecting my oldest when she arrived, so my sister and my daughter are only 6 months apart with my sister being the elder. They grew up together and were each other’s first friend. Kind of cool, really.

  • “We have committed leaving that area up to God as far as our family size,” he said.

    So in other words, YES!

    Maybe (hopefully) Josh’s wife will be lucky enough to not be as fertile as her mother-in-law. :p

  • stogoe

    Count me among the “not that weird”, as well. It hasn’t happened in my generation or my parent’s generation, but my grandfather was raised with his younger uncle.

  • Jen

    “We have committed leaving that area up to God as far as our family size,” he said.

    Josh, dude, if God really wants you two to be preggers, all the birth control in the world won’t matter, right? I think someone doesn’t reallllllly believe in that whole Mary was a virgin thing, eh?

    As to the family thing, its certainly not MY really small family, and I think its a little weird, but its practically the norm where I work.

  • My oldest neice is only a year younger than me, and some of my neices children are older than some of my children. So I’m not bothered by that.

    I’m not a fan of the Duggars. However, it’s more because of their extremism and parenting techniques than anything else. I feel there came a point where it was less and less about the love of their children for them, and more and more about the spotlight and money they were receiving because of their children.

  • Gabriel

    Nah, it’s pretty fucked up. The whole family is pretty fucked up. My youngest aunt is a year younger than I am. Her mother (my grandmother) was a very fucked up person.

  • AnonyMouse

    This also isn’t too uncommon in the church where I come from. While only a few of the (contraceptophobic) families in the church have anywhere close to eighteen kids, many families have between five and eight, but – as others have described – have significant gaps between the youngest and the oldest (for various reasons, from failure to conceive to stillbirth).

    Not that it isn’t pretty messed up. Even as a Christian, I thought that families who refused to use birth control were being excessive. After all, I and three of my siblings (two sadly deceased) were conceived despite the use of birth control. If you’re not even trying to prevent conception, how are you supposed to know that God really wanted you to have that kid? Maybe he just didn’t care whether you had it or not, in which case you would be saving yourself the strain of additional births.

    But then, I might be biased, because these contraceptophobic woman also have a nasty history of dying in childbirth.

  • GullWatcher

    It’s not that odd to have an aunt or uncle the same age as the niece or nephew, and it doesn’t have to mean a large family. Due to second and third marriages, it’s common in my family, but there are usually only two or three kids per family, mostly half-siblings. They just happen to be about 15-20 years apart.

    What really makes me wonder about this is the ‘god’s will’ bit. If their god did exist, they think he’s weaker than contraception? That’s pretty pitiful.

  • teammarty

    Doesn’t sound that different from some of the catholic families I grew up with. 10, 12 would be common. Theer was one family that was at 16 when I graduated. They’d giv up sex for lent, fuck on Easter night, get pregnant, give up sex for lent and so on. They did everything in shifts, eat, bathe, do laundry, everything.

  • I’m 18, my sister is 34, and when we go out together, we get mistaken for mother and son. Her daughter, my neice, is 14, and is often mistaken for my sister. My sister and I have the same parents, but she was born 16 years earlier. It is odd though

  • Sephia

    It is fairly common place and even the movie “Father of the Bride 2” showed this. They only had 2 kids, with a large gap between the oldest and youngest, the oldest already married and they reveal daughter is pregnant. Days later mom announces she’s surprisingly pregnant as well. The niece/nephew aunt/uncle are pretty much the same age, born on the same day.

    I am an Atheist though, and have 7 kids with plans on having at least one more in ht e near future. We just love children and want to help balance out the religious retards with our open minded, free thinking brood.

    The religious right will grow faster and stronger if the non-religious sect slow or stop breeding.

    Just my 2¢ worth though.

  • Polly

    I do think that much of the Quiverfull lifestyle is shocking and totally against what I personally value, but until I see a reason to look down on the Duggar family in particular, I don’t want to cast judgment on them. As long as they’re healthy, happy, valuing each individual, and good members of society… I have no beef.

    Coulnd’t have said it better myself. Hence, the blockquote.