Cheesus

It’s Jeebus! Quick! Sell it on ebay and give the proceeds to the website!

One of my sisters thought that Jesus was actually called Cheesus when she was a kid. And the other made an easter bonnet with an ‘x’ on it, when asked why she said that people told her to put a cross on it, and that’s what she thought of as being a cross, totally correct of course. I’m so proud of them…

Cheetus?

Turned upside down, it looks like a male dog sitting up and begging.

LOL….if my dirty mind serves me right, that looks like Jesus is good at raising more than one dead thing.

Where’s your post about the “debacle” at Holy Name Cathedral in Chicago Yesterday?

It’s just goes to show how spineless secularists are. They wouldn’t dare interrupt a Muslim prayer service, or a Passover service. They interrupt a Christian service because it is risk free. They do it because they don’t for a second expect to be in any real trouble after the fact.

The super sad/ridiculous part is that they’ll sit around and pat themselves on the back and high five each other about how “totally radical” they are, and “Oh man, that was AWESOME!” When in reality, it’s about as daring as interrupting a bingo match at an old folks home.

It’s exactly as imbecilic as the dude who ran on to the field at the Sox game and punched a old coach in the face. Exactly.

Please take a lesson from the people in that church about what ‘dignity’ means.

Those people were not atheist/secularists.

Can you prove that, or are you making it up?

No no, don’t you see, they were commies, yeah, that’s right, commies.

Uh, why do I have dirty thoughts? Praise Cheesus!

“Seeing the image of Christ in a Cheeto means that I was able to imagine it.”

What a great line. The “I was able to imagine it” line pretty well sums up all religion doesn’t it kids?

Settle down, Sam. I’m not sure why you are so angry at Hemant.

The original comment by GONP that raised the issue about the protest said,

It’s just goes to show how spineless secularists are.

This was the original statement that needs backing up. From the articles I’ve read there is no mention of the group being secular. The protest had nothing to do with a secular or atheistic agenda. So why assume they are secular? Theists get mad at each other all the time.

The fact that they are upset with the hypocrisy of the local Cardinal not speaking against the war, which is the stance of the Pope, would seem to point toward their being religious. Most atheists don’t care what the Pope says and really don’t care if a local cardinal is follow the doctrine of the church. I don’t know who my local cardinal is let alone his stance on the war.

If that’s Jesus, then his hands and legs have been amputated. Or perhaps he is meditating…

Hemant,

Please. Or should I say, Oh puhlease. “Catholic schoolgirls against the war” is clearly an attempt at irony by some foul-mouthed, spineless secularists. De-facto atheists in my opinion whether or not they claim to believe any God or no God.

These are your people whether you like it or not. Only your people would have the lack of respect (self respect, too) to interrupt ANY religious service, no matter what religion. “Catholic Schoolgirls” is a pop-culture reference from the last half century. (Did ya see Brittany Spears’ first music video? Are we to believe she was actually a Catholic School girl?)

They were trying to be cute by naming themselves that, and they are OF COURSE, a bunch of secularists.

You’re surely a lover of the scientific method, right? If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck… then it is in fact a secularist bunch of goofs.

Where’s the mocking post about how stupid some of your people can be? Your message would be ten times stronger if you weren’t the atheist whip. You’d get a lot further by recognizing that idiots walk among your people, too.

So… I kind of have an honest question here… what features of this cheeto lead one to think it looks like Jesus? I admit I don’t know what Jesus looked like, but is there any evidence out there on what he looked like? And what features did he have that really stood out, leading one to think this cheeto was a good match?

GONP, Sam: the burdon of proof lies with the accusor–and that is you. So far, you have made the logical mistake of taking a single anecdote and then applying that to a large group, and then you have made the logical mistake of claiming that protesters in a church must be secularlists without providing evidence. Until you patch the logical holes in your accusations, it is difficult for anyone on this forum to take you seriously. In fact, I’m starting to think you’re just a troll.

The last thing I will say on this, is that the entire basis of logic, reason, and atheism, is to identify shortcomings and immediately correct them. We are in fact wrong very, very often, and we seek to identify those issues and fix them so that will will not be wrong again. There is example after example of this. Even Richard Dawkins, who I suspect you would consider to be a fundamentalist (but correct me if I’m wrong!), has published in writing that he will reconsider the existence of God when he sees some undeniable proof. Unfortunately, that proof has not yet come, and it is exeedingly unlikely.

So, provide some evidence that the protestors were supporting a secular cause, and we will take you seriously.

Oh, okay. I was kind of hoping for some characteristic that really stands out.

If you turn it upside down, I kinda see another mythical figure: Snoopy.

Sam: the burdon of proof lies with the accusor–and that is you.

How? I haven’t accused them of anything. Did you even read my last post?

So far, you have made the logical mistake of taking a single anecdote and then applying that to a large group

When exactly did I do that?

and then you have made the logical mistake of claiming that protesters in a church must be secularlists without providing evidence.

Wrong again. I did no such thing.

Until you patch the logical holes in your accusations, it is difficult for anyone on this forum to take you seriously. In fact, I’m starting to think you’re just a troll.

I have made no accusations whatsoever. If there’s a troll here it is you. But it’s more likely that you commented without reading the thread.

HN,

Holy crap, you people are exhausting.

It is your OWN hypocrisy that you pretend does not even exist.

You use the same b.s. that theists use to make a case. You “promote” your cause in the same way that they do. You “promote” it with spin, twisting words, deflection, PR, and burying stories of atheistic goons.

If a theist or atheist would just keep to themselves then no one could complain. But this blog is a PR vehicle. It’s a perpetuator of certain opinions. And you all have to sometimes hide the truth (re: bury unfavorable news stories) to further your cause. Hypocrisy is necessary on y’alls part to survive. Accept it. Acknowledge it.

The way your system of “beliefs” must be promoted in public is the same way that theism must be promoted. Two sides of the same coin. Both sides are selling the “answer.”

And yes, Hemant is “selling.” No one blogs four times a day if they’re not making money off of Google ads. (I’m all for making money, btw) What he is selling is being bought by you because it feeds your need to be members of a choir. He is “preaching” atheism and making money off it.

That requires a certain level of hypocrisy to keep up the fight. Just like the theists do.

And yes, Hemant is “selling.”

No question about it. Of course everybody is welcome to their own beliefs – and lack of beliefs – but putting your own profit motives above your fellow man is not an admirable quality. Billions of Christians care deeply about God and have no interest in bothering you in any way. Hemant has made a career of gratuitously breaking their balls in order to sell his book. There is nothing friendly about him. He cares about nobody but himself.

I don’t know, Sam, I met Hemant in person and he was perfectly friendly to me. Now, I am an atheist, but he was also nice to the Christians he was interacting with. I believe he has also met Mike Clawson in person, and Mike is an avowed Christian who has never mentioned his Hemant-damaged testicles.

Also, while I am sure he got paid for his book, and may make money off his ads, we all know he has a job, so I doubt the book made him rich. Also, since it was published by a Christian publisher, I am guessing the publisher made some money off those broken Christian balls.

The only negative comments Hemant makes about religion, are when the religious are trying to push their beliefs down our throats through the government.

Not so. In this very thread he posted “a church youth pastor dazzles us with his intelligence”. A youth pastor saw a cheeto that looks like Jesus. So what? How is that an indictment on his intelligence? Why the hostility?

Consider his post “Jesus Rose and This Is What We Get?” where he posted a cartoon comparing Jesus to a groundhog. Was that in response to “when the religious are trying to push their beliefs down our throats through the government”. No. It was pure ballbusting.

Consider his post “The Reason Your Prayers Don’t Work”. A necessary retort? Please.

Consider his posting a picture of a newspaper with the words “Christian” and two boys wrestling below it with the rest of the page obscured by a sticker. That’s not a response to anyone forcing beliefs down your throat. That’s pure mean.

Go ahead and sell your books, Hemant, but don’t pretend that you are a decent human being.

Wow. Please don’t tell me you wouldn’t poke fun at someone for something like that. If this was Richard Gere, and he saw the Buddha in a cheeto, you and the whole world would be laughing at him. Do you think because its Jesus you get a free pass? Nope, you’re allowed to believe, but we’re allowed to poke fun. Just like we’re allowed to poke fun at the myth of Christian Easter, praying for miracles, etc. Don’t tell me you don’t get a chuckle from other people’s beliefs, be they Wiccan, Hindu, or Buddhist. But because its your belief, its off limits, it can’t be touched, it hurts your delicate feelings? Nope.

If Hemant was really “ball busting”, he would be attacking Christians, saying their beliefs are evil, pushing his views down peoples throats. You’ve never seen him do that. This is an atheist blog, we get to poke fun at what we consider irrational beliefs. You can start a blog, and poke fun at our beliefs, check out Ray Comfort’s blog, he’s already doing that.

My guess, you know your beliefs are laughable, they don’t hold up to skepticism, and it scares you. If your beliefs were never allowed to be questioned, people wouldn’t notice how fantastical they are. And someone like Hemant, who’s nice and polite about it, scares you more than a fire-breathing atheist. Its because you know that Hemant is a decent human being that you’re scared. If you weren’t scared you wouldn’t be lurking about his blog, you’ll notice none of us are on any pro-Christianity blogs.

Atheists are no better than theists.

Saying “there definitely is a God” is as stupid as saying “there definitely is no God.”

The only “defensible” observation to make is “I don’t know if there is or isn’t.” They can’t prove it and neither can you.

It is as pig headed and egotistical to claim that you know for a fact that there isn’t.

And yes, the burden of proof is on them. You are correct. But there is plenty (tons) of circumstantial evidence throughout the ages that at least gives theists the right to a trial.

Playing judge, jury, and executioner makes you just as wrong as them. Turn your atheist membership cards in. They’re a tell tale sign of egotism gone wrong.

The fact that evolution, according to Darwin himself, cannot and does not explain how the FIRST dna replication happened, is a good sign that you should keep quiet about what you definitively may or may not know.

GONP, you don’t have many friends do you? Or, you don’t have the kind of friends you’d like, right? You want some cool friends, you know, some normal, together people (like Hemant). Let me give you some advice: quite being such a downer, man. Nobody likes a downer. Your posts reek of arrogance and parsimoniousness. Just who died and left you as the “Notifier?” My notifier is working just fine thank you. What qualifications do you have to be the self-appointed critic of the atheist world? Face the facts: you’re not brilliant, neither are you funny; you’ve not written anything we haven’t read many times before, and I’m amazed at the patience of those of my fellow-bloggers that have taken the time to respond to your empty posts. You should read more and write less on this site, then you’d probably pick up on how not to be a pain in the butt. But, if my experience with people like you is any indicator, you probably will ignore everything I’ve said here, won’t you.

The ad money doesn’t amount to very much

Ah, so it’s OK to be a whore as long as you are a cheap whore. Is that it?

You are deriving benefits from mocking the thing that people hold most dear. You benefit monetarily (despite not being terribly good at it), and you benefit in other ways. You get your face on TV and in newspapers. But unlike other people on TV and in newspapers, you didn’t get there by being accomplished or successful – you got there by calling decent people “idiotic”. You are the ultimate troll. You have achieved fame by disparaging the most cherished part of people’s lives. Congratulations. You must be very proud.

If he was joking about it, fine. But he wasn’t.

I suspect he was joking, but either way, what business is it of yours? When did it become your job to decide what is “fine” in his life? Has he hassled you in some way, or did you seek him out because you like to make fun of people who are different from you?

And I am a perfectly decent human being. You know, besides the baby-eating.

No. No, you’re not.

we’re allowed to poke fun at the myth of Christian Easter, praying for miracles, etc.

Of course you’re “allowed to”, but what does it say about you?

This article has information on Catholic School Girls Against the War, as well as a pro-Palestinian group (International Solidarity Movement) with which they’re apparently affiliated in some way. No mention of any religious beliefs nor non-belief that I can find.

If you follow the CSGAW link in the article, it leads to the Illinois Coalition for Peace & Justice. Click on the Members link at the top, and you’ll see a wide range of groups represented there, including Jewish, Buddhist, and Christian orgranizations. There was one Humanist organization. Of course, there’s no indication that any of those groups knew about, or endorsed, the actions of the CSGAW.

I have no idea what those three men and women, who have now been arrested and charged with felonies, believe about the supernatural, just that they’re against the war in Iraq.

To sum up the info on the Internet: no mention of atheism or Britney Spears videos. 🙂

Hemant is not “finding ways for atheists and theists to talk” by calling this youth director “idiotic”. He is obsessing about a cheeto while ignoring all the good this man does in the world.

Hemant seems to be getting you to talk. Hemant is not obsessed, I don’t think. Neither does he ignore what is good. But, what is objectionable about this little religious episode is not the good that any Christian does but the bad that they do when they throw common sense out the window. Am I to think that the transcendent God that created this marvelous universe takes the time to perform a miracle on a cheeto? Far cry from raising the dead.

I didn’t realize we were being “whipped into a frenzy”.

You are. You people are perhaps the most closed minded I have ever seen. It is astonishing. You resort to bullying. You ignore my assessment that the entire premise of this blog is “trolling” on theists. It is 5% sharing thoughts, and 95% making fun.

Is it because absurd beliefs (like Cheetos being a sign from a deity) are being questioned? Why does that make you nervous?

Ridiculous. It’s like you don’t even read English.

because when you go out, you probably meet all types of different Christians,

Yes, illiteracy is tragic. When did I say I was a Christian? Add pigeon holing to bullying. It’s the only way you know how to respond to honest criticism. To bully then pigeon hole.

It’s quite sad that such “cool” people really have no response to legitimate comments. (The leprechaun bs is yes, bs. You would have clearly read that theists have tons of circumstantial evidence spanning thousands of years to support a little bit of a claim. Unicorns do not. You would have read that if you were not simply looking for angles to bully with.)

Does this blog rely on trolling theism or does it not? You can’t answer a simple question, or defend the fact that it’s really all this is.

All you people do is bully those who have a different view. “Lurking?” What a hilarious word you use. Yes, reading a blog is so out of the ordinary and sociopathic. You got me. I post a comment when I see glaring hypocrisy and y’all can’t even respond to anything except say things like, “You have no friends, right?”

But you’ll probably just ignore me pointing out your shortcomings and just remark about how I must be some weirdo, right?

To GONP:

You ignore my assessment that the entire premise of this blog is “trolling” on theists. It is 5% sharing thoughts, and 95% making fun.

You’ve carefully considered the subject matter of nearly two years worth of posts, and then categorized and calculated this result? Also, Sabrina addressed this general assertion in her March 26, 2008 at 9:56pm post, so consider your assessment not ignored, twice.

Yes, illiteracy is tragic. When did I say I was a Christian? Add pigeon holing to bullying. It’s the only way you know how to respond to honest criticism. To bully then pigeon hole.

You’re the one who came charging in the door, keyboard blazing, acting like a troll: posting way off topic; making unfounded assertions about events at an Easter church service (addressed in my post above); and accusing people of making unfair generalizations about others, while yourself painting everyone here with the broadest brush you could muster.

So, you’re not a Christian, then? Why not lay your metaphysical cards on the table, and we’ll start having the kind of dialogue you claim doesn’t happen much here?

It’s quite sad that such “cool” people really have no response to legitimate comments.

I doubt anyone here considers your comments legitimate, for the reasons I stated above. Yes, there really are a lot of cool people here, but you wouldn’t know it; you’re too busy spouting off in an embarrassingly (for you) ignorant fashion.

Does this blog rely on trolling theism or does it not? You can’t answer a simple question, or defend the fact that it’s really all this is.

I think you’re a little confused about the practice of Internet trolling.

From Dictionary.com:
regularly posts specious arguments, flames or personal attacks to a newsgroup, discussion list, or in email for no other purpose than to annoy someone or disrupt a discussion. Trolls are recognizable by the fact that the have no real interest in learning about the topic at hand – they simply want to utter flame bait. Like the ugly creatures they are named after, they exhibit no redeeming characteristics, and as such, they are recognized as a lower form of life on the net, as in, “Oh, ignore him, he’s just a troll.”

The above definition would make you the troll, not Hemant; you’re disrupting his blog, not the other way round.

Just for the record, I don’t believe in the Christian God. And staging an anti-war protest at an Easter church service is something I definitely wouldn’t do or condone. There are probably a number of others here who would agree with me on those two points, but you’ll never hear from them; they clicked on to the next thread when you showed up in full flame-bait mode.

Yes, reading a blog is so out of the ordinary and sociopathic. You got me. I post a comment when I see glaring hypocrisy and y’all can’t even respond to anything except say things like, “You have no friends, right?”

But you’ll probably just ignore me pointing out your shortcomings and just remark about how I must be some weirdo, right?

Sociopathic, no. Crying out for attention (“please call me a weirdo, so I can keep saying how mean all ‘you people’ are”), probably. Have you got anything more than non-stories about mean “atheists”, assertions without arguments, and name calling to offer? If so, there are (remarkably!) a couple of people on this thread who are still listening.

Are they not the result of atheists “combing” the internet for things to make fun of?

No, they are not. Is that a clear enough answer for you? There is no secret cabal of atheist foragers.

Where does it come from if not from trolling/combing the internet for fodder to humiliate people?

Are the mechanics of social networks completely foreign to you? It’s as if you’ve never been on the Internet before. Each one of us is privy to millions of pieces of information per day. For Hemant, some of that information is bound to be silly stories about religion, which he then shares. It’s nothing more sinister than that.

And anyway, did you actually expect a reaction different from the one you got? It’s not as if you moseyed in here with an inquisitive demeanor looking to get some real answers; you clearly charged in, guns blazing, and asked some offensively loaded questions. How did you honestly expect anyone to react civilly when you displayed no such civility yourself? What sort of ends can that kind of behavior result in?

“Cheesus Crisp Supersnack”

Lieutenant Dan!